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Originally Posted by mcprodesign
(Post 4175898)
I would love to see it myself! But is was done aprox 8 years ago and he said it's hard to pull up that data from a boat that was done about three owners ago!
Check out this http://teaguecustommarine.com/em0011...-kit-2391.html Where is the 678- 700 claim coming from? I would assume the 3.25, 3 inch pulley, and adding fuel volume with the aero stuff to feed that boost? 3.5 = 650 3.25 = 678 3 = 700 What pulley do you have? |
Originally Posted by mcprodesign
(Post 4175904)
I am going to stop reading your hatefull posts. If you have a problem with the way I learn , it is your problem. Not mine. If you add 125 hp to a 525-540 hp motor you have about 650 or so per side. That is what I have always claimed. If I had 700 hp I would be at about 104 mph . Where you should be
I don't have a prop shaft dyno, most don't......so most aftermarket mods are referred to as crank shaft power so the world can relate, without doing the merc math. The way you learn is to put out bad advice? You started up my shorts, questioning my set up, recommending plugs 4 full heat ranges hotter to the OP, and making out-landish claims and comparing my boat to yours (there is no comparison, we have different bottoms) Why should I be at 104 mph? I could be at 110 mph if I wanted. I want a boat that works every day, and is rare to break. Sure there is speed to be found with short lowers, 5-6 blade props, bottom work, things to lower my slip and put even more stress to my XR drives that are already being fed too much HP. I'll take my 98 mph every day, and 101 mph on the 5850 limiters when the conditions are right. 15 percent slip is not the best, but drives are in the water, and 15 takes a little bit of the stress away. There is one thing I agree, you are making HP if you are running he speed you claim, and turning the RPMs you claim with a side by side small step lightning. Where your HP came from will remain a mystery I guess? Because an MSD box, with 3.5 pulley and chiller won't get you turning 5800 rpm at 100 mph in a 38. What props are you spinning to 5800 ? |
Originally Posted by JRider
(Post 4175771)
Cylinder wash down is common on the 575 with stock mapping...after running mine with a custom map I would NEVER go back! For anyone with even a stock 575 it is recommended.
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SB !!!!!!! you are a Gentleman and a scolar!~! I thank you so much. The stock plug heat range too cold I am pretty sure See pic. And maybe I have some of the problem Rob described going on? This motor uses less fuel than my other one i beleive though
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Cooerlman, Jason and his dad have a lot time with blowers and coolers plus sell a cooler.- of course they are at Lotto doing the shootout and the rest of us are stuck up here. I know for a fact they have done a lot of tuning on the dyno plus have a lot info from their testing. Maybe he will chime in after his vacation. Had to bust on Jason, he is a cool dude, no pun intended coolerman.
I'll give them a little plug again no pun intended. www.pfintercoolers.com |
Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER
(Post 4175902)
How much speed did you gain again on your 40 outlaw when switching the blowers out to the 8-71's???
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Originally Posted by troper
(Post 4175939)
I picked up a solid 8MPH...hit 81 a few times but 77-78 even this time of year. I'm actually getting ready to take her out and some data logging with MEFI Burn.
Good luck with your tune. I tuned mine to 11-11.4 full boost. 12.5 cruise, and 12.5-13 idle. Some say go leaner, but I am happy with that set up. Clean but on the safe side. If you are seeing a big difference in readings from one engine to the next take a close look at map senson, and ect sensor (different than the gauge on dash) also you can peak at the injector spray patter with the spark arrestor off. Use timing light triggered off cyl 1 and point it at the spray for a clear reading. |
Originally Posted by 4bus
(Post 4175859)
Ugh.......Where do you find your "knowledge" ???
So the 256 not much more than an N/A motor huh, you claim you are making 700 HP (you're not BTW), andyou think that power is coming from your 7:5-1 502 iron head engine with a flat tappet cam that is slightly more aggressive than a lawnmower? Take the supercharger off a stock 575sci and you will make about 400 hp, if that. A larger blower brings in more CFM, therefore you can run lower boost with a larger blower to make the same power as a smaller blower with more boost. Boost is compressed air, more air. Compressing air causes heat, the more it is compressed the hotter it will get. So yes a 8/71 blower will make more power at 3 psi than a 256 at 5 psi, plus the charge will be cooler because the 871 is feeding more CFM. A 256 blower makes 256 cfm per rev, a 6/71 is about 400, and an 8/71 is about 445. if you spin a 256 at twice the rpm of the 8/71 it will make the same or close to the same power. The charge on the 8/71 will however remain cooler, which is worth a few ponies The 8/71 conversion from dyer is a great set up for a 575sci. I can see that set up making 800 hp with a cam and a little more boost. However, how much can the lower end and a bravo drive handle? You seem to be butt hurt about something, and I am not sure what it is. Kinda fun to watch. Any more bad advice you want to throw out there? Here's a thought. Start by leaving temps out of the equation. Boost is a result of backpressure from pistons, valves, etc. 5PSI is 5PSI is 5PSI Doesn't matter if it's a 256, 14:71, turbo or hair dryer. A 575 w/256 @ 4PSI @ 5K RPM makes X HP and a 575 w/8:71 @ 4PSI @ 5K RPM makes the same X HP A 256 makes more heat so you may loose power. On the other hand, spinning more mass(8:71) takes more power. It's probably a wash at these boost and RPM levels. I would think that the 256 would create better low end power but run out at the top, or at least become less efficient because of heat, not to mention the bearing issues. Whereas the 8:71 would have a harder time building boost at lower RPM's because of leakage but could keep up with the demand of higher RPMS, all the while creating less heat, but demanding more HP to turn. Now, we're at say 4500RPM and goose it to 5K. I'd think the 8:71 would be more responsive to that demand(by milliseconds) than the 256 but ultimately they would end up at the same HP at 5K RPM. If you could keep the air temp down and bearings alive, put a 1" pulley on front of the 256 and it'd keep up with the 8:71 Then we go to Whipples. I think they can create the same boost as any Roots style blower without the low RPM pressure loss, hence more bottom end, and take less HP to turn because of their smaller mass. Enter the world of turbo's. Same deal as small Roots to larger roots without the parasitic HP loss, just backpressure issues to deal with. Don't mind me, just thinking out loud, rambling....and bored. Have a great weekend, I'm gonna go clean my plugs. Rob |
Use timing light triggered off cyl 1 and point it at the spray for a clear reading.[/QUOTE]
Cool idea! |
Stock 575 sci motors with yR5's for Years and no burn on the pistons plugs or anything,. How is this possible. That is the question. Maybe the blower shop makes just that much better 250 blowers. I am at about 6-7 psi boost. I would really love to know .
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