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315duramax 11-29-2014 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by 14 apache (Post 4226899)
The whit lighting was built out of a mold that was pulled from a 38cig then stretched.

ohhh gotcha ok!

Zero Patience 11-30-2014 05:20 AM

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38 Cig, staggered, the second pic is with the new exhaust, first pic with the sprinkler systems.

Wildman_grafix 11-30-2014 07:48 AM

I always thought the advantage of staggered motors were that the motors were not only moved forward (front one) but lower in the boat to lower the CG. Also the drives were closer together and closer to the keel resulting in a more even "push" and able to run higher X as the boat came out of the water on plane. (the center being the last part out of the water on a V).

Personally just the ease of working on them makes me want a boat with staggered. I always wondered if the 38 fountains with the SEMI staggered really helped.

But hey, not like I am a boat designer, what do I know.

14 apache 11-30-2014 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by Wildman_grafix (Post 4227609)
I always thought the advantage of staggered motors were that the motors were not only moved forward (front one) but lower in the boat to lower the CG. Also the drives were closer together and closer to the keel resulting in a more even "push" and able to run higher X as the boat came out of the water on plane. (the center being the last part out of the water on a V).

Personally just the ease of working on them makes me want a boat with staggered. I always wondered if the 38 fountains with the SEMI staggered really helped.

But hey, not like I am a boat designer, what do I know.

Your 100% on the staggered last thing to leave the water is the props. Working on them deepens on the exhaust my boat sucked with the big tube headers. There is always one engine easy to work on front of one back of another.

14 apache 11-30-2014 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by Zero Patience (Post 4227577)
38 Cig, staggered, the second pic is with the new exhaust, first pic with the sprinkler systems.

Nice boat! What does your boat weigh? How much power and is the prop shaft below the bottom? Did the new exhaust cost you any MPH? Thanks

Rick G 11-30-2014 08:16 AM

14 Apache ,I remember reading some where that White lightning was actually built using the Apache mold but the builder eliminated the rub rail and smoothed the hull.
Don't quote me but I will try and find where I read this . I am certainly no Apache expert .
RG.

14 apache 11-30-2014 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by Rick G (Post 4227631)
14 Apache ,I remember reading some where that White lightning was actually built using the Apache mold but the builder eliminated the rub rail and smoothed the hull.
Don't quote me but I will try and find where I read this . I am certainly no Apache expert .
RG.

Kirk from kryptonite boats has the mold that White Lighting came from on long island made a few 41 center consoles and some 39 step bottom boats with a insert. Its not a apache mold center strakes are short.

Rick G 11-30-2014 09:00 AM

Thanks as I said I'm no expert. As for staggering , anything is possible . I put a notch in my 38 Flat Deck to avoid the cost of stand off boxes when I changed to #5 drives . It was certainly alot of work and I would suggest that if you do not fiberglassing skills not a job to tackle . Archer marine is converting the Smokin Joe Scarab to a stagger from a triple set up I have been thinking about staggering the flat deck but also keeping as much of the cockpit as possible . The biggest challenge for me is the thought of dealing with the gas tank removal and shortening.
RG.

Rick G 11-30-2014 09:04 AM

The Lock and Load 90 MPH staggered cigarette is very heavy. I beleive that boat was laid up extremely heavy in order to compete in marathone ocean races back in the 90's

Rbesola 11-30-2014 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by 315duramax (Post 4226895)
isnt that what was done to the white lightening boat? heard that was a stretched 38 cig. i would call up a few people that have the full stag 38 TG's and try and get some ideas from the boats from the factory on how they made everything fit... it would be a cool project none the less.

Unless this video is incorrect Legend Offshore built the boat from the 41 Apache mold and had to creat their own deck
http://youtu.be/jYmE3VB8IfY


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