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way2fast 03-04-2015 07:30 PM

Bertram today??
 
Are these boats/hulls related in anyway to the bertram 38's competitions and offshore "bertram" name that had much success in offshore racing..
the hull doesn't look fast deep V seaworthy at all. and huge beam. second link is one with a flybridge!!!

http://www.nauticalmarine.com.au/AQ/...srt=make%20ASC

http://www.sydneyboatbrokers.com/198...-25-flybridge/

Smarty 03-04-2015 07:41 PM

Look way to a 31' Sport Fisherman, and look at the bottom, I always thought that 38' raceboat wasn't that far off from basic design. Time for Charlie McCarthy. Bertram has made great Sport fishing boats

Bertram history.....http://www.bertram.com/timeline.cfm I am surprised it does not mention the 38' race-boat.

Top Banana 03-04-2015 09:17 PM

Yes, those are Bertrams. It started off as a Ray Hunt designed and built wooden boat, that Sam Griffith and Dick Bertram won the Miami to Nassau race with.

Dick Bertram then started a new boat co......Bertram ....and he built the boats in fiberglass.

They started as pretty wide boats and because of that found much favor with fishermen. They handled rough water very well and were built much tougher than the average boat of that era...1960's

One ad they ran in a magazine, showed a Bertram after surviving a hurricane that smashed the port it was in. The boat was tied up to a dock with a rope to the fore and aft cleats. The cleats never weakened, they just pulled the dock down when the winds got really high...tough.

Best boats made for normal people.....31 footer, 46 footer and 54 footer. Great boats.

The 38 footer that was designed and raced in the 1970's, really didn't have much in common... design wise with the older style. They built and raced it to prove they were still in the game and could build fast and tough boats

wannabe 03-05-2015 02:57 PM

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The Bertram 38 Compettion was a purpose built racing hull with 22 degree deadrise. They were built with cut down hulls from the cockpit forward, hence the beveled decks. Truly a beautiful boat and IMHO much better looking than the Cigarette 39 Comp with its funky deck angles in the stern.

There were only 17 of these built according to sources. One is sitting in FL and needs MAJOR resto. One is in NY with no transom.

Wannabe

phragle 03-05-2015 06:58 PM

First link post 1, my sister and BL has one of those.. Widesh beam deep vee, incredible riding boat and built like a brick sh!thouse. I wouldnt be the least bit concerned getting caught in some nasty stuff with it.

B38 03-06-2015 07:43 AM

Yo. What about my B38, still running strong after ten years of ownership. Hull and deck no stress cracks, all original gelling coat. Love my Bertram

B38 03-06-2015 07:47 AM

Some say 17 built. I belive 15, others say 12. CEO of Bertram stated 15. Very limited build.

dereknkathy 03-06-2015 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by Top Banana (Post 4274085)
Yes, those are Bertrams.




One ad they ran in a magazine, showed a Bertram after surviving a hurricane that smashed the port it was in. The boat was tied up to a dock with a rope to the fore and aft cleats. The cleats never weakened, they just pulled the dock down when the winds got really high...tough.

Best boats made for normal people.....31 footer, 46 footer and 54 footer. Great boats.

The 38 footer that was designed and raced in the 1970's, really didn't have much in common... design wise with the older style. They built and raced it to prove they were still in the game and could build fast and tough boats

they never made a race version of my hatteras, but my 67 was 46 years old when hurricane sandy hit. tore the docks up. went right up and over and back down on top of finger pier. wedged between 3 pilings. scratched up my paint job a little bit...

B38 03-06-2015 09:35 AM

Bertram did build the 35 with wood deck and glass hull in 1973

TeamSaris 03-06-2015 02:36 PM

The old Vincentive is in ft. Lauderdale at Cadillac boats. If only we had the time.

wannabe 03-07-2015 09:03 AM


Originally Posted by B38 (Post 4274674)
Some say 17 built. I belive 15, others say 12. CEO of Bertram stated 15. Very limited build.

Kurt- You are the man!! I may have had senioritis when quoting the numbers- I think only 6 were Kevlar. Post a pic of NN PLEASE.

B38 03-08-2015 09:52 PM

12 of 15 where Kevlar, 3 glass. then there was the glass sport version with 8 inch taller deck with port windows. I can't post pic on OSO. email me and I will send some cool photos. Kurt

B38 03-08-2015 09:57 PM

Don Onkin owned 5 Bertrams, Mr Goodwrench was the best hull of all built he stated, Why, cause it was Glass like mine and did not delaminate under heavy abuse. Dry lay up with kevlar.

nofastboat 03-09-2015 04:43 PM

will someone post pics that he sends you?

wannabe 03-13-2015 05:56 PM

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wannabe 03-13-2015 06:14 PM

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One more.

butch ryan 03-13-2015 07:35 PM

Mike bacha's boat from wyandotte

B38 03-13-2015 09:31 PM

Where are these Sport version Bertram. Got photos but no clue what happened to them. The blue B38 looks cool I think. Kurt

Phil M 03-14-2015 05:56 AM

Bertrams
 
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The 38 ft. Bertrams were preceeded by the 32 such as Boss O Nova, Eddie L. "8-Ball" or Sternwinder. Mona Lou and others - also the Bertram Baron the 28 ft. Barron's were in two models - the runabout - and like mine, the long style - I was asked at Bertram when ordering my 38 ft. Bertram which Barron I had, the sedan or the "Needle Nose" version - thats how I got the name Needle Nose for my 28 ft. Bertram that raced in 1972. Attached are a few photos of the 28 and 38. Spoke to Sammy James a month or so ago - he is a fountain of information about the Bertram's as he was the Race Director there years ago - A shame that a boat builder bought the Bertram just decided not to build them - a great Yacht too -

Top Banana 03-14-2015 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Phil M (Post 4278436)
The 38 ft. Bertrams were preceeded by the 32 such as Boss O Nova, Eddie L. "8-Ball" or Sternwinder. Mona Lou and others - also the Bertram Baron the 28 ft. Barron's were in two models - the runabout - and like mine, the long style - I was asked at Bertram when ordering my 38 ft. Bertram which Barron I had, the sedan or the "Needle Nose" version - thats how I got the name Needle Nose for my 28 ft. Bertram that raced in 1972. Attached are a few photos of the 28 and 38. Spoke to Sammy James a month or so ago - he is a fountain of information about the Bertram's as he was the Race Director there years ago - A shame that a boat builder bought the Bertram just decided not to build them - a great Yacht too -

Story I heard was the Chinese wanted the Riva brand name. Since Riva was owned by Ferretti as was Bertram, they bought Feretti and then focused on just the Riva name.

Great name just sitting there waiting for someone to step up. Too bad some Silicon valley guy isn't into these type of boats.


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