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omerta one 04-08-2015 10:36 AM

Mercury Discontinues NXT
 
Anyone know anything about Merc dropping the NXT1?

BrettM 04-08-2015 01:24 PM

It was released in a press release to dealers last week. Builders must buy the #6 or a M8 now.

Knot 4 Me 04-08-2015 01:28 PM

Did the cone clutch tranny have anything to do with its demise?

Shallow Minded 04-08-2015 04:06 PM

Thoughts on what this will do to the value of existing NXT boats? Big hit or non-issue?

JaayTeee 04-08-2015 04:28 PM


Originally Posted by BrettM (Post 4289431)
It was released in a press release to dealers last week. Builders must buy the #6 or a M8 now.

Brett,
Is it just the NXT drive they're doing away with, or the whole transmission/drive package ?

Crowney 04-08-2015 04:28 PM


Originally Posted by Shallow Minded (Post 4289510)
Thoughts on what this will do to the value of existing NXT boats? Big hit or non-issue?

Most likely depend on availability of rebuild parts (oem or aftermarket). I would assume the value of those drives for the 700hp range motors would be a still sought after drive if parts are available. The 6 is considerably heavier than the NXT on both the transom and pocket book.

BrettM 04-08-2015 04:55 PM

The letter reads that it is just the NXT drive. The number 6 fits the same transom and transmission.

I doubt values will have any impact. They have a ton of the same internal parts.

omerta one 04-08-2015 05:04 PM

Problem is the #6 is less efficient...making the boats slower or forcing you to move up in HP - so when is the turbo 700 or 850 coming out?

pstorti 04-08-2015 05:08 PM

good maybe some people will start trying the Xpower drive now.

omerta one 04-08-2015 05:24 PM


Originally Posted by pstorti (Post 4289532)
good maybe some people will start trying the Xpower drive now.

They won't be offered with a factory Merc powered build...

precisiondetails 04-08-2015 05:25 PM

The 6 is the best overall drive period. Hydrodynamics are way better than the 8. I know a guy who tried even the M8Rs and saw no improvement. I know of a 388 Skater getting 1350s and is sticking with the 6s.

precisiondetails 04-08-2015 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by omerta one (Post 4289531)
Problem is the #6 is less efficient...making the boats slower or forcing you to move up in HP - so when is the turbo 700 or 850 coming out?

NA 850-900 DOHC is coming from what I've been told by reliable source. They aren't putting their life on it but pretty confident. Perhaps Miami boat show 2016!

omerta one 04-08-2015 05:35 PM


Originally Posted by precisiondetails (Post 4289536)
The 6 is the best overall drive period. Hydrodynamics are way better than the 8. I know a guy who tried even the M8Rs and saw no improvement. I know of a 388 Skater getting 1350s and is sticking with the 6s.

I understood the #6 drive to be the lease efficient hydrodynamic design of the 3...I imagine each may effect a particular boat differently, but would really like to understand how each works from a hydrodynamic standpoint.

pro27 04-08-2015 06:35 PM

Correct me if Im wrong but I thought the transmission was the weak link in the NXT package.Are they going to upgrade that for the 6 drive or do away with the entire package?

Don Johnson 04-08-2015 06:58 PM

I am sure there will be lots of opinions on this.... I believe that the cone clutch transmission design sucked especially when bumping up to Stage 3. But the cone clutch design consumes very little HP. I also believe that in many applications the lower on the 6 is a much better overall performing vs the NXT. In fact quite a few boats built with 700 engines and 6 drives on the West coast for that reason.

DirtyMoney 04-08-2015 07:01 PM

Mercury QC4V NA 850 hp already exists and is listed on their website as a Class 1 race engine

39 Unlimited 04-08-2015 07:08 PM


Originally Posted by Crowney (Post 4289518)
Most likely depend on availability of rebuild parts (oem or aftermarket). I would assume the value of those drives for the 700hp range motors would be a still sought after drive if parts are available. The 6 is considerably heavier than the NXT on both the transom and pocket book.

Not as much as you would think only 65 pounds.

39 Unlimited 04-08-2015 07:14 PM


Originally Posted by precisiondetails (Post 4289536)
The 6 is the best overall drive period. Hydrodynamics are way better than the 8. I know a guy who tried even the M8Rs and saw no improvement. I know of a 388 Skater getting 1350s and is sticking with the 6s.

Hydrodynamics is much improved with the newer M8's. Heard Merc Racing used Wilson to help resign the lower gear case. The problem with the turbo motors and the 6's is Mercury will only warranty the drive with 1:42 gears. The M8's you have choices.

pro27 04-08-2015 07:14 PM

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precisiondetails 04-08-2015 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by DirtyMoney (Post 4289579)
Mercury QC4V NA 850 hp already exists and is listed on their website as a Class 1 race engine

They aren't NA, they have little turbos

precisiondetails 04-08-2015 07:32 PM


Originally Posted by omerta one (Post 4289542)
I understood the #6 drive to be the lease efficient hydrodynamic design of the 3...I imagine each may effect a particular boat differently, but would really like to understand how each works from a hydrodynamic standpoint.

The 6 is actually the best, fastest. Like I said the new 8Rs still aren't as good as the 6.

Yes each boat is different. But also notice just how big the casings are on an 8. It requires at least a 17" diameter prop. Which I know on cats spinning out(which is what all the fastest set ups use) the bigger diameter prop makes the rear end very loose. If you like big rooster tail rotate props in. Lol

So in some aspects is one situation leads to other issues that can't be helped. I know talking to Bill when he was building the new 388 that he was concerned about the 8 lowers being able to get them blue printed down to handle the smaller diameter prop. We shall see now that he's pretty much done with the engine tuning and is gonna start really testing props.

omerta one 04-08-2015 08:09 PM

Maybe when compared to the M8 but not always faster when compared to the NXT1.

payuppsucker 04-08-2015 09:38 PM

Who gaf? 95 percent of the people on here will continue to put too much power through a pos bravo and keep replacing parts/drives, myself included.

BraceYourself 04-09-2015 07:43 AM

Anytime Mercury discontinues a product it affects the used market value for the worse. Period

payuppsucker 04-09-2015 07:48 AM

I suppose you're right.

flight club 04-09-2015 08:06 AM


Originally Posted by precisiondetails (Post 4289603)
The 6 is actually the best, fastest. Like I said the new 8Rs still aren't as good as the 6.

Yes each boat is different. But also notice just how big the casings are on an 8. It requires at least a 17" diameter prop. Which I know on cats spinning out(which is what all the fastest set ups use) the bigger diameter prop makes the rear end very loose. If you like big rooster tail rotate props in. Lol

So in some aspects is one situation leads to other issues that can't be helped. I know talking to Bill when he was building the new 388 that he was concerned about the 8 lowers being able to get them blue printed down to handle the smaller diameter prop. We shall see now that he's pretty much done with the engine tuning and is gonna start really testing props.

have you ever owned a 6 or 8 to compare? or just going off what you hear? LOL, Just messing with you

precisiondetails 04-09-2015 09:30 AM


Originally Posted by flight club (Post 4289779)
have you ever owned a 6 or 8 to compare? or just going off what you hear? LOL, Just messing with you



Lol- well you already know the answer to that question.

Ya, from running Gary's boat, and yes talking to guys like Vinny and Mark

CLA 04-09-2015 09:33 AM


Originally Posted by precisiondetails (Post 4289603)
The 6 is actually the best, fastest. Like I said the new 8Rs still aren't as good as the 6.

Yes each boat is different. But also notice just how big the casings are on an 8. It requires at least a 17" diameter prop. Which I know on cats spinning out(which is what all the fastest set ups use) the bigger diameter prop makes the rear end very loose. If you like big rooster tail rotate props in. Lol

So in some aspects is one situation leads to other issues that can't be helped. I know talking to Bill when he was building the new 388 that he was concerned about the 8 lowers being able to get them blue printed down to handle the smaller diameter prop. We shall see now that he's pretty much done with the engine tuning and is gonna start really testing props.

How can you post this if you don't own either? What type of boat do you own?

precisiondetails 04-09-2015 11:59 AM


Originally Posted by CLA (Post 4289831)
How can you post this if you don't own either? What type of boat do you own?

Simple- like I wrote: by talking to the pros and learning. Just like I've never played in the NFL but I know how to explain coverages and plays. I never said I had 1st hand OWNERSHIP EXPERIENCE. Nor do I believe one needs to own something just to know how things work and handle.

PS- nice job on your Eliminator, looks great.

CLA 04-09-2015 12:20 PM


Originally Posted by precisiondetails (Post 4289885)
Simple- like I wrote: by talking to the pros and learning. Just like I've never played in the NFL but I know how to explain coverages and plays. I never said I had 1st hand OWNERSHIP EXPERIENCE. Nor do I believe one needs to own something just to know how things work and handle.

PS- nice job on your Eliminator, looks great.

Oh, ok. And thanks!

precisiondetails 04-09-2015 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by CLA (Post 4289899)
Oh, ok. And thanks!


I help out Gary Smith with Predator, I just listen and learn. Observe and I'm around so I've just gathered knowledge from others.

39 Unlimited 04-09-2015 06:08 PM

Never ran an NXT but had 6's on a 39 TG. Can honestly say the NXT / 700 package is a little faster. 6's are longer. The new 8's are 2" shorter with an improved lower. Will see what the lower CG without burying the drive does for new boat. Will be able to give good comparison in three weeks.

payuppsucker 04-10-2015 11:42 AM


Originally Posted by 39 Unlimited (Post 4290062)
Never ran an NXT but had 6's on a 39 TG. Can honestly say the NXT / 700 package is a little faster. 6's are longer. The new 8's are 2" shorter with an improved lower. Will see what the lower CG without burying the drive does for new boat. Will be able to give good comparison in three weeks.

What are you putting in front of the 8's on the new boat?

bulletbob 04-10-2015 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by payuppsucker (Post 4290398)
What are you putting in front of the 8's on the new boat?

Pretty sure he said 1100 turbos in his build thread. I waiting to hear how his 42 runs also.

39 Unlimited 04-12-2015 11:36 AM

Yes, they are Merc 1100 turbos


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