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mike08kurtz 05-07-2015 07:51 PM

please help. boat overheated. need advice
 
Hello and thanks for looking. I have a four Winns liberator. It has a 260 HP 350. It overheated today on the lake. Was smoking quite a bit. I let it cool down and babied it to the dock. Boat began running very weak all of a sudden which is how I discover the overheating. I could hear water boiling in the exhaust. After cooling boat started and made it back to dock. But with no power. Wouldn't even plain off. I checked the oil for water and there is no water in it . any help appreciated thank you.

SB 05-07-2015 08:42 PM

The 'lucky' minimum by your description is head gaskets. Do a compression test. 4/6 and or 3/5 are prob leaking combustion into each other.

3pointstar 05-07-2015 09:03 PM


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4301755)
The 'lucky' minimum by your description is head gaskets. Do a compression test. 4/6 and or 3/5 are prob leaking combustion into each other.

totally agree with this comment by SB

If that engine got that hot to start smoking-- not good at all.

you may want to look in the bilge and see if there is any substantial water -- cracked the block, manifold etc.

I wish you all the best


3pointstar

BUP 05-07-2015 09:21 PM

And I would not re use the risers and the exhaust manifolds on a repower / rebuild. This most likely is close to a 27 to 30 year app having a Mercruiser in it. Also IF APPLICABLE - the exhaust Y pipe will need to be check out very closely and 4 sure change the heart shape O ring gasket at the bottom flange to the inner transom assembly. So many people miss that one after a hard overheat doing the repower / rebuild . Just saying. IMO I think the motor is hurt internally in some shape or form like others have posted

mike08kurtz 05-08-2015 03:06 AM

Thank you guys. I will be doing a compression test tomorrow. The motor was already tired before only having 100lbs per cylinder. I'll post tomorrow let ya know what I come up with. Anyone off hand know the firing order? Its a 1986.

US1 Fountain 05-08-2015 06:27 AM

1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2

Every guy should know those numbers more than their own b-day, right behind Jenny's number. :)

dykstra 05-08-2015 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by US1 Fountain (Post 4301856)
1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2

Every guy should know those numbers more than their own b-day. :)

Agreed!! FYI, BB Chevy's have same firing order.
Good luck with the diagnosis, as you probably know, this place is a wealth of knowledge and "entertainment".

BUP 05-08-2015 09:23 AM

OK here is the test real quick what is a marine GM base small block with reverse rotation firing order ? there is a very simple simple way to remember this if you do not know it but know the standard firing order.

dereknkathy 05-08-2015 09:28 AM

Reverse firing order is 8-6-7-5-3-0-9.

iliveonanisland 05-08-2015 09:31 AM

Sounds like you have a great opportunity to upgrade to a 383... btw unless youre hung like john holmes its hard to pick up hot chicks with only 260hp.... just my .02...rm

Wobble 05-08-2015 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by US1 Fountain (Post 4301856)
1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2

Every guy should know those numbers more than their own b-day, right behind Jenny's number. :)

Not as simple as it used to be [ATTACH=CONFIG]540837[/ATTACH]

3pointstar 05-08-2015 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by US1 Fountain (Post 4301856)
1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2

Every guy should know those numbers more than their own b-day, right behind Jenny's number. :)


what would be interesting does anyone have a phone number like 1- 843-6572--- obviously with different area codes??

3pointstar

mike08kurtz 05-08-2015 05:09 PM

Hahaha it I fill that thing full of beautiful women. Just wait till it has 600hp hahahaha:D

mike08kurtz 05-08-2015 06:38 PM

Well guys compression test showed good compression all cilynder s. One cylinder blew water out of the compression gauge tho haha! Time to pull her and put something a little more radical in there. Anyone know where to get a cheap low miles or rebuilt SBC or BBC near phoenix az?

SB 05-08-2015 07:00 PM

Depends on what you call cheap.

Over on this side of the country, I believe DonziMatt has a sweet low hr 383 with AFR heads for sale.

US1 Fountain 05-08-2015 07:25 PM


Originally Posted by Wobble (Post 4301998)
Not as simple as it used to be [ATTACH=CONFIG]540837[/ATTACH]

Pretty sure my firing order goes with this '86 350 in question. Thus why I didn't give the firing order for Fords, Mopars........ stay on track. :D

iliveonanisland 05-08-2015 07:43 PM


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4302136)
Depends on what you call cheap.

Over on this side of the country, I believe DonziMatt has a sweet low hr 383 with AFR heads for sale.

Thats the ticket, afr heads are nice, u. Can run more comp with alum heads and beat on it harder, plus it will have a marine cam grind in it... which wl save u the time and money of buying and swapping cams. if u buy a hipo car motor which its almost always gonna have too much cam for a marine app... rm

iliveonanisland 05-08-2015 07:45 PM

Heres another tip, sell ur old motor on ebay in parts, block, crank, pitons and rods, break it all down it will bring a lot more coin that way to help pay for a much more manly engine package...rm

mike08kurtz 05-08-2015 08:05 PM

That's a great idea!!! Thank you. Def be good to part out what I can:D

iliveonanisland 05-08-2015 08:17 PM

Stay with the small block dude, it isnt worth the coin with what u have to go nuts putting a bbc in it, you would have to buy tons of new stuff, a 383 will feel like a bbc after what ur pulling out of it!

SB 05-08-2015 09:24 PM


Originally Posted by iliveonanisland (Post 4302150)
Thats the ticket, afr heads are nice, u. Can run more comp with alum heads and beat on it harder, plus it will have a marine cam grind in it... which wl save u the time and money of buying and swapping cams. if u buy a hipo car motor which its almost always gonna have too much cam for a marine app... rm

Engine (new) was in an old 22' Hammond Challenger with an Alpha SS and just touched 80MPH.

Yup, good stuff.

Edit in: I bought the SS and 2-3 props (all beautiful) off that boat. LOL. DonziMatt got the engine.

mike08kurtz 05-08-2015 09:35 PM

Ya I believe your right. SBC running good be sweet. My old one was 260hp but tired with 1000 hours on it.I imagine it was closer to 200hp. A fresh motor 350-400 HP prolly be night and day difference.it did 52mph with the tired motor. Hopefully get 70/w 400 HP

iliveonanisland 05-09-2015 02:11 AM


Originally Posted by mike08kurtz (Post 4302198)
Ya I believe your right. SBC running good be sweet. My old one was 260hp but tired with 1000 hours on it.I imagine it was closer to 200hp. A fresh motor 350-400 HP prolly be night and day difference.it did 52mph with the tired motor. Hopefully get 70/w 400 HP

it might go close to 70 if you dont have any fat girls in it...just my .02...rm

iliveonanisland 05-09-2015 02:13 AM

52 is pretty good top end for what engine youre running, you using speedwax?

wannabe 05-09-2015 01:40 PM

I bet you have a cracked head or block.....

100 psi is low.

mike08kurtz 05-09-2015 03:15 PM

It had 100 psi before this. It's just old lol

dereknkathy 05-09-2015 05:26 PM

first you change the water pump in the drive and find out if the overheat problem is fixed. phoenix AZ. no salt i take it. so rotted out intake manifold, etc is less likely but still a possibility. get the junker motor holding temp before you put a new one in there...

iliveonanisland 05-09-2015 08:56 PM


Originally Posted by wannabe (Post 4302383)
I bet you have a cracked head or block.....

100 psi is low.

i thinks its a 100 psi a hole across the board.... as in shot out

Cole2534 05-10-2015 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by dereknkathy (Post 4302421)
first you change the water pump in the drive and find out if the overheat problem is fixed. phoenix AZ. no salt i take it. so rotted out intake manifold, etc is less likely but still a possibility. get the junker motor holding temp before you put a new one in there...

That's ignorant.

iliveonanisland 05-10-2015 03:12 PM


Originally Posted by Cole2534 (Post 4302644)
That's ignorant.

X2. install a water pump kit when u do the motor swap... its pointless to spend a few hundred bucks on a shot out engine... youll get a lot of advise on oso and MOST will be good advise....

for instance if its gonna break u buying a stout 383, buy a decent plane jane 350, with the money you save buy a ton of hershey kisses!

you can pick up just as many fat girls with hershey kissss as you can with an extra hundred ponies...

ps. remember to buy some butter to grease their hips. it will make it essier to push em through the doorway to your bedroom...xoxo rm

mike08kurtz 05-10-2015 10:29 PM

Hahahahha hahahaha hahahaha

NFC!!!!
no fat chicks

Hahahaha


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