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thirdchildhood 04-25-2016 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation (Post 4432145)
There is video of the CG talking with a diver at the boat, radio confirms "zero POB"...zero persons onboard and they pulled the diver out of the water and moved on. I would have thought they marked the boat with a tracking device to get it later.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xCB7--6JkM

How the heck was a cell phone still on board? As you say, why wasn't an EPIRB attached? I think the CG needs to review their protocols.

thirdchildhood 04-25-2016 08:46 AM


Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation (Post 4432147)
As a side note:

I was at the Biltmore Hotel this weekend with my kids, they have the biggest hotel pool in Florida (their own pitch), pool is 600K gallons and is over 1/2 acre. Guessing 250 X 100 as a size. I told my kids to swim the length of the pool and they could stop at the far wall (1/2 way point) and then swim back. Essentially a 500 ft swim roundtrip in a perfect environment (no waves, no salt water, no storm, etc). Both kids and their friend did it but were visibly winded (I did the same up and back an hour earlier and stopped a couple times (stood on bottom)......my arms felt like logs! My lesson for them was: Stay with the boat!

We had another lost boater 2 weekends ago. 3 guys and a 11 yr old in a 24 ft searay. The guy that stayed with the boat washed back to shore, the the other 3 died.

The Biltmore Pool (video is taken from the middle of the pool):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnNbbM9fZMo


Children need to not only be taught how to swim but they must learn how to never panic, to remain calm and how to float on their backs with minimal effort while breathing deeply and resting. Their have been reports of people swimming many miles back to shore and that is how it's done.

partlowr 04-25-2016 09:05 AM


Originally Posted by Keith Atlanta (Post 4334543)
This whole thing is extremely hard to take. I would be beyond devastated if that were my kid.


2 KIDS in a 19 foot boat going to the Bahamas? Do they have parents? Who lets their kids do that? My "kid" isnt leaving the intercoastal by himself till he is in his 20's.

You said exactly what I was thinking, but under these circumstances I just figured I would not state the obvious, why add insult to injury? I can tell you this, we were all 14 years old once and I am sure all of us made a poor decision or two....or ten. Fortunately most of us survived our poor decisions and most of us were smart enough to learn for our poor decisions.....it's called life. I'm 44 years old now, I've been boating since my early teens as my father always had boats when I was growing up. The first real boat(besides a pontoon with a 25hp OB) I ever drove was my dads 1988 Ranger bass boat, it was only about 19 ft, sat about a foot off the water and could run 65mph. Then in 1989 he bought a Sea Ray Pachanga 22, I got some experience on Lake Michigan with that boat and honed my skills. Then in the early 90's he bought a Donzi 25. By then I was in my early 20's and my dad hardy ever had time to take out the Donzi but I had plenty of time :), I would sneak that boat out all the time. I put more hours on that boat than he did and he was clueless as back then most boats didn't come with hour meters. He started suspecting stuff when one day he told me to try launching the boat at the ramps and I launched it quicker and better than he ever did, he was like "wow, you're pretty good at that". My demise was the time I chewed up a prop very badly, fortunately for me my dad ran aluminum props and I didn't kill the outdrive. The point to my story is kids do stupid **** and I guarantee we all did stupid **** behind our parents back so don't be so quick to blame the parents on this one.

f_inscreenname 04-26-2016 01:31 AM

At 14 in our boats we were limited to how far our gas would take us. We had rules but out of sight out of mind.

BBCLiberator 04-26-2016 07:20 AM

This thread just won't die....

Jupiter Sunsation 04-26-2016 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by BBCLiberator (Post 4432580)
This thread just won't die....

The reason it got resurrected was they found the boat again, this time off the coast of Bermuda (last week). It had an Iphone in the center console but the boat has been capsized for months so just another clue to a mystery I guess.

Local paper indicated the families are feuding and the family that owns the phone wants it back, the other family wants the state officials to keep the phone in their possession.

f_inscreenname 04-26-2016 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation (Post 4432623)
The reason it got resurrected was they found the boat again, this time off the coast of Bermuda (last week). It had an Iphone in the center console but the boat has been capsized for months so just another clue to a mystery I guess.

Local paper indicated the families are feuding and the family that owns the phone wants it back, the other family wants the state officials to keep the phone in their possession.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fam...103?li=BBnbfcL

BBCLiberator 04-26-2016 10:41 AM


Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation (Post 4432623)
The reason it got resurrected was they found the boat again, this time off the coast of Bermuda (last week). It had an Iphone in the center console but the boat has been capsized for months so just another clue to a mystery I guess.

Local paper indicated the families are feuding and the family that owns the phone wants it back, the other family wants the state officials to keep the phone in their possession.

I missed that, I just saw more bickering and assumed, well you know, the norm :)

Wildman_grafix 04-26-2016 10:47 AM

I don't understand why the families are having such a issue with the phone.
I think they said on the news that now lawyers are involved etc. kind of sad.

ToMorrow44 04-26-2016 11:13 AM

Do yourself a favor and read my whole post.


Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation (Post 4432138)
Boat was found originally off Daytona and it was capsized. From memory, CG was on scene with a chopper and sent a diver to confirm it was the boat and that it was unoccupied. The next order of business was to refocus the search pattern, not rescue an old boat 75 miles offshore.

This is exactly correct. The Coast Guard uses computer models to create search patterns based on environmentals and search object (person, boat, overturned boat, raft, etc). But now that the boat was found, thats hard DATA, not just theory. So now that they know where the boat drifted, they can recreate the search with a more accurate area.


Originally Posted by thirdchildhood (Post 4432142)
IMO the Coast Guard helicopter should have stayed with the boat until a CG boat could get to it to look for evidence. There very well could be clues on that iPhone. Now after so many months in a marine environment who know if data can be retrieved from that phone. I support Apple on their previous stands but I hope that they offer their resources to access the phone. There could be pictures, texts, calls that might bring some closure for the families.

Theres two huge glaring issues here. First, the boat was over 60 miles offshore. Thats going to take several hours for a CG boat to get on scene. Thats several hours that the helicopter is remaining on scene, not searching. (It was an MH-60 that deployed the swimmer, so they do carry that much gas, but an MH-65 only carries 2 hours of gas total so they can't remain on scene anyway..) Also probably the majority of a day that the small boat is not searching while they go to this boat, get a line on it, and tow it in. So now you have hard data on the drift of the boat and a more accurate search area, and two assets that aren't searching for several hours..?

The other issue is that the Coast Guard is not a salvage company, nor are they a towing company if you run out of gas. They will if there is a dire emergency or the DIW vessel is a hazard to navigation. But the CG is not trained to salvage boats, so trying to tow in a capsized boat? Theres a good change that it would have sank trying to tow it in, then how does that look..?


Originally Posted by thirdchildhood (Post 4432148)
How the heck was a cell phone still on board? As you say, why wasn't an EPIRB attached? I think the CG needs to review their protocols.

What protocol does the CG need to review? When the vessel was found, an SLDMB was deployed. Thats a self-locating data marker buoy. What that does is sends a signal the Coast Guard can track in order to obtain that DATA on drift and speed. One was deployed near the boat, however the boat wasn't able to be relocated later. Again, the CG is busy searching for two people now. EPIRBs are expensive, the CG finds adrift boats every day, who is going to pay for all those EPIRBs when the CG budget shrinks every year..?

Also, the people who extract data from cell phones and other electronic devices, even after being in saltwater, work for the CG. All other LE agencies send their stuff to the CG to extract the data...things you didn't know ;)

Let's be clear, this was the largest search the CG has ever conducted, something to the effect of 50,000 square nautical miles covered. The CG went above and beyond on this search. In district 7 (Georgia to Cuba basically) the CG has well over 400 search and rescue cases per year. Did you know there was a missing paddle boarder case at the same time as this one in Palm Beach? Nope, because celebrities didn't get involved in that case...


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