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Prop and speed question for triple drives??????????
I can't post in the "prop talk" section so this question is here and thanks in advance for genuine information.
I was told that the center drive in a triple installation can be propped different from the outside drives for a speed benefit. When I think about that there seems to be a great deal of questions that need answered for my technical brain. Is this idea only for outboards on a "V" hull and not stern drives? With the center drive lower and dragging the prop harder would different pitches cause a push pull difference rather than speed benefit? Is this some kind of a pricey test and tune splitting hair thing that barely shows up in competition levels of performance? Is there enough difference in the water dynamics from the center drive to the outter drives to gain anything by different props? I know my questions my not really be in a rational order to something but that is because I don't know if this is anything? My knowledge is hobby level and I have never heard of different pitches running on the same transom. What can you speak to about this? |
I have done trip outboards
and have found when trying to achieve the boats highest speeds I run mixed props for example my boat now I am running 2 matched props for outside motors and center prop is +2 on pitch and -1/2" diameter this keeps all 3 motors at same rpm theory is boat runs the speed of the highest pitch and rpms of the lower pitched as with 3 they enhance each other boat picked up 3-4mph with this set up the center motor is the work horse motor on a vee as it has more water on it than the outer 2 when boat is out running and rockin on slop outside 2 will/does slip more while center is staying loaded more so can play with center to find what the boat likes again this is for best speed and motors are on the surface also this is my ob and can move motors around with ease for best speed and handling have bud with trips on 42 fountain and doing same thing,,,center propped worked differently but he did it to plane better has a heavy rear coming on plane,,,,, |
Originally Posted by johnmiffco
(Post 4349628)
I have done trip outboards
and have found when trying to achieve the boats highest speeds I run mixed props for example my boat now I am running 2 matched props for outside motors and center prop is +2 on pitch and -1/2" diameter this keeps all 3 motors at same rpm theory is boat runs the speed of the highest pitch and rpms of the lower pitched as with 3 they enhance each other boat picked up 3-4mph with this set up the center motor is the work horse motor on a vee as it has more water on it than the outer 2 when boat is out running and rockin on slop outside 2 will/does slip more while center is staying loaded more so can play with center to find what the boat likes again this is for best speed and motors are on the surface also this is my ob and can move motors around with ease for best speed and handling have bud with trips on 42 fountain and doing same thing,,,center propped worked differently but he did it to plane better has a heavy rear coming on plane,,,,, Thanks for the post. This is the kind of information I wanted to learn about. So what about mono hull vs stepped? With the foam from steps is the center prop affected differently with steps? Is this some of where you say, "play with center to see what the boat likes"? My stepped 419 Formula seems to run the center engine about 200 rpm lower than the outters. It this what the - 1/2 diam helps with? |
Tricky question !!! I ll keep mine the same less headaches!!!
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Originally Posted by jeff32
(Post 4349639)
Tricky question !!! I ll keep mine the same less headaches!!!
LOL, yea. But people talk and I notice these little details and my mind has to figure it all out. It is running nice now and we really enjoy the boat but my drag racing days really make me think of what I could do to it, lol. I may massage everything on the low end of power and money to keep it cheap or I may stroke these 502's and push it a little more. If there is something left on the table like 3-4mph then it might be worth it but if it is just 2-3 then the power would probably do more. We'll see in time. |
a good prop man knows what to do
u can cut diameter down till rpms the same on center as stated the center is the work drive as why rpms lower by 2,000 also can add cup to outside 2 to bring rpms down on them u have options for fine tuning I have a very small and light v with trips so it really gains with fine tuning the 419 is lots more boat so will be less advantage this is mainly for last mph and trying to get to plane faster or less slip in turns working with trips |
Originally Posted by johnmiffco
(Post 4349664)
a good prop man knows what to do
u can cut diameter down till rpms the same on center as stated the center is the work drive as why rpms lower by 2,000 also can add cup to outside 2 to bring rpms down on them u have options for fine tuning I have a very small and light v with trips so it really gains with fine tuning the 419 is lots more boat so will be less advantage this is mainly for last mph and trying to get to plane faster or less slip in turns working with trips |
in ur case 13000 lbs and drives down below bottom
ur outside props are probably not slipping but very little from the center if not any more if ur rpms even out in the upper rpms when hull gets lifted as I stated for max speed with trips the center is messed with surfacing the cases the ouside get more air in the slop im runnin a little 27'er @ 2800lb hull with 3 2.5 offshores on at 8,000 rpm cleaver props split shafted to water using the gearcases to lift the hull to where I want transom to ride at so yes just a tad different in set ups to tweak props as stated earlier bigger hull with less lift makes less difference |
Mine trip set up was...
#4 drives port and starboard with 1.35 gears #3 drive in the center with 1.5 gears They geared and proped the center drive Different to help get the boat on plane faster. Also keep in mind the center drive will always Work the hardest because it is buried so deep in Clean water. The port and starboard drives will slip More hence part of the pitch difference. As for #3 & #4 drives, different length drives Set all X dementions and kept tie bar pretty level Spanning all 3 drives. Boat is now a #6 drive set up. |
I'm running 31P on the outside, 32P on the center. At lower speeds, I do have to run a hair more throttle on the center engine to keep the revs even, but as speed increases things line up better. Getting on plane, it's almost impossible to keep the center motor in sync with the outsides. It gradually comes up to speed as the outside engines hook up.
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