Cargo ship sinks.
 

I thought I would put this here. The boaters on this sight use to care about all boaters. Well here you go?

Well, this "sight" has been lacking....

And, RIP to all the crew on that ship!

Being 780ft long that would classify it as an offshoreonly boat correct

Wow your so right. God Bless these people. Hope you can come home.

RIP

But there needs to be a Criminal investigation into who ordered that 40 year old derelict directly into a Hurricane.

I didnt get the whole story.... was the ship sent directly into the path of a cat 4 hurricane? Or was it so slow of a ship it just got caught by the storm or was it a cat one the got a lot stronger by the time it got to the ship?

you know i think a 780 ft ship could have easily gone through that storm.... had it not lost power!

After it lost power i think for some reason it was taking on water. I heard the crew was pumping it out and staying ahead of the water coming in...but i guess something happened to where the water overwhelmed the pumps

I think they may be already home. God bless the family's.

Think about this, say and apache 41 runs in 6ft seas... no problem right. thats 41ft of boat divided by 6 ft of waves equals 6.8... now you take a 780ft boat run it into 50 ft waves just not as fast as the apache, so thats 780 by 50 equals 15. Something so the 780 ft has a much better ship length to wave ratio. So had it not been for losing power, it should have been ok, it would have been a miserable ride. But a ship that slow cant very welĺ out run a storm i wouldnt think...

But then again an apache wouldnt be nearly as top heavy, and going slow probably would allow the big ship to list a lot more bashing through those monster wasve...

The apache doesnt have a deck stacked tall with shipping containers

In an Apache, the cargo is on the inside!

The name of the lost ship is the El Faro. It supposedly sunk in 15000 ft of water (I didn't think it was that deep off the Bahamas). The ship lost propulsion and power just before the storm and was listing at 15 degrees........then it got hit with 50 ft waves and 140 mph winds. The life boats were an older "open style" vs. the newer enclosed ones. One body was recovered in a "abandon ship survival suit" but they were unrecognizable.

Ironically, one of the 33 aboard was on his first trip as a deckhand. 33 lives lost, 2 of which were woman.

Very sad loss of life.

It is amazing and disturbing that they had such old safety technology on an American vessel. I boat on the Houston ship channel often and cant remember the last time I saw open lifeboats on a commercial ship.

not trying to sound gross or anything like that but I wonder what or how the body they found in the suit is unrecognizable.there was some talk that area was shark infested,or did the wreck mess the body up.just wondering.i have been following this story on g-captian.its really sad.god bless those poor souls.

They said the ship changed its coarse and drove directly into the storm. It was at full power, which is 20mph. Not sure what the captain was thinking, RIP to all the crew

Everything I read said the ship lost all power and propulsion on 9/30.... Basically was a sitting duck when the storm hit them.

Got a link for the "full power aiming at the storm?"

I suspect it was blunt trauma......put on the suit, get bounced around a steel ship like a rag doll and your dead before you hit the water.

Terrible decision by someone. The way I understand it the ship lost power, began to take on water/list, turned broadside to the waves, and that's all she wrote.

Doomed cargo ship reportedly left normal course, sailed into the track of Hurricane Joaquin
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/10/09...ack-hurricane/
According to this story the ship was still traveling at full power on oct 1, and was 50 miles from the storm.

2nd paragraph:
Thursday's report by Reuters used tracking data to establish the U.S.-flagged vessel's path in its final hours. The data uses a ship's satellite transmissions to track its location and speed. The ship was last heard from early on the morning of Oct. 1 after its captain, Michael Davidson, reported that he had lost engine propulsion, was taking on water, and was listing. No reason was given for the loss of power.

I suspect he was trying to outrun the storm......engine died, no viable plan b.......game over.

Yeah I get that part, this is the part I don't, 5 th paragraph
"I don't know what he was thinking. I can’t even speculate," Klaus Luhta of the International Organization of Masters, Mates, and Pilots told Reuters. "He headed right into the track."

Your probably right, I think he waited way too long before he tried to out run the storm

I still couldn't imagine sitting in a "dead ship that is already listing 15 degrees" with 140 mph winds approaching and 50 foot waves.......reminds me of "The Perfect Storm" movie.

Of course, staying with the ship sounds like the best idea (700+ feet long) but if they were in the thick of the storm.......lifeboats would not be a viable option (launching, getting them away from the freighter, etc).

Boston.com has had decent coverage of the story, 6 of the crew were from the area. They did a short story on the kid that was on his first trip out:
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/20...subheadline_hp

I read the ship was due to be replaced in a few months. Were they deferring major maintenance to save some $$? Yeah, whole lot seems crappy for this crew.

The ship was going to be relocated to Alaska routes as a replacement ship was coming for the FL-PR route. The 5 Polish guys were aboard to evaluate the mechanicals of the ship. Early reports posed the question if something they did ended up disabling the ship.

Unfortunately we will never know the story. Sad. I do know that those shipping companies can't stand seeing a ship sit. The weather forecasters could t even pin down the track of this storm until the last minute. I'm from ma and have a few friends that went to mass maritime. I've heard some horror stories.

It doesnt matter what corporate said, it doesnt matter if the ship was 4 days old or 40 years old, The BOTTOM LINE is that the Captain is in charge of and responsible for his ship and crew. An overconfident captain made a poor decision that cost him his ship, his crew and his life.

Makes you wonder if there was a "bonus" program for captains to keep the ships on schedule........:eek:

Kind of a cast a blanket statement based on an age old cliche w/o having 1 iotta of personal information as to what the circumstances were, don't you think?? All any of of here know is what we heard / read in the media. You make it sound as if the captain had part ownership, new his equipment was less than satisfactory but value profit margin over safety & the lives of his crew, had several other job offers to be a captain elsewhere on newer ships w/ better safety equipment but he chose this ship, rolled the dice & was reckless from the get go.

How about a little sensitivity over the tragedy & maybe starting your posts w/ IMHO w/ an emphasis on HUMBLE?

I guess we shouldn't have been praising Captain Sully for landing the US Air jet safely in the Hudson but maybe GRILLED him over his poor decision to fly into a flock of birds. Yep that makes sense!

Let's not forget that storm also escalated very quickly. It went overnight from a ts to a cat 2. Those cargo ships run through horrible weather all the time. Bottom line a sad situation.

The ship was 40 years old and actually a car carrier with a design life of 25 years. With the ship listing, lifeboats could only be launched from one side, which would be the side that would come down on you when it capsized.

http://www.pressherald.com/2015/10/0...in-rough-seas/

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Great read, thanks for posting Wobble!

What a horrific way to die.
I thought a ship that big would go through anything... but once u lose power ur done...

Kinda reminds me of the Titantic Capt .EJ Smith all his years of experience worked against him. Sad ending .. Godspeed to the crew.

I fear they are in God's hands..... Reminds me of the Edmund Fitzgerald.

Strange first post, I know.. I know..

I am a complete lurker/reader.



Being in the maritime satcomms industry I am very familiar with this vessel - it was a steamer. Judging by the fact that no EPIRBs went off, I imagine she listed hard, flipped, and went down quickly. This wouldn't allow the EPIRBs to make it to the surface as they would be stuck under the deck as she sunk.

Pretty good chance a boiler exploded, blowing a massive hole in the hull.

As others have mentioned, very old vessel.. probably should have been decommissioned.