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hogie roll 05-16-2016 09:26 PM

Boats swapping ends
 
http://news4sanantonio.com/news/trou...bout-bay-boats

Good video about half way through of a test they did to get these boats to spin out.

I love turning my boat hard, glad it doesn't do that.

risco 05-17-2016 06:11 AM


Originally Posted by hogie roll (Post 4439861)
http://news4sanantonio.com/news/trou...bout-bay-boats

Good video about half way through of a test they did to get these boats to spin out.

I love turning my boat hard, glad it doesn't do that.

I saw this the other day very sad what happen to girl. Now with that being said i dont under stand why the would not run test again after lowering the jack plate you can see that it has one and it obviously set very high as you can the whole 20in motor out of water. Cool boats but they do need to do something to keep this from happening

Wildman_grafix 05-17-2016 06:42 AM

Wide open throttle hard turn with the motor all the way up? Even the slower turn they had the motor up, if that is the " test" for safe or not there goes jet skis.

Try that in your car.

tommymonza 05-17-2016 07:39 AM

Trim it to the Moon and spin it out.

The Ralph Nader of boats , coming soon.

Say goodbye to that boat company.

hogie roll 05-17-2016 08:21 AM

Well as a flats boat they do it for shallow draft.

My old tigershark had big black fins sticking out the side of hull at the back with a slight downward angle. About 18" long and 3" wide. That thing would not spin no matter what you did to it.

partlowr 05-17-2016 08:36 AM

Look at the hull design, it doesn't take an engineer to figure out that it's going to have twitchy handling characteristic, there is nothing underwater beyond the first 3 or 4 feet of bow. It's not far off from being a swamp boat.

f_inscreenname 05-17-2016 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by partlowr (Post 4439990)
Look at the hull design, it doesn't take an engineer to figure out that it's going to have twitchy handling characteristic, there is nothing underwater beyond the first 3 or 4 feet of bow. It's not far off from being a swamp boat.

Ya it looks like when I turn hard in a hydroplane.

johnmiffco 05-17-2016 11:21 AM

yep,,,,EL PESCADOR boats are crap and unsafe
they been building them for 20 yrs and 000,s of times they have tossed people out
that 1 version was made from a sailboat bottom as why the bow is dragging and boat spins out on the bow
sad part is its the weekend boater that gets hurt
the 1 that is there for a fishing trip or ride not knowing the boat their on
there are some very nice flats boats and then there is the backyard crap

Cajun 2 Stepp 05-17-2016 01:18 PM

Its a tunnel hull flats boat with a jackplate.
There's nothing in the water to keep the back end from swapping around.

johnmiffco 05-17-2016 01:28 PM

I have a glass shop here in Houston
and have had many of these boats come through here
not a full tunnel boat but yes they cut in a small " pocket " tunnel in the bottom at the last 3-5' for water to rise
to get prop higher out of the water for the shallows
that particular hull in video was the worst of them all
as had a slick bottom on the back half with the front vee with the little keel still there from the boat they poped off of
so when grab some wheel it nose digs and spins the transom from no grip of the rear of the bottom and prop high

JRider 05-17-2016 04:27 PM

I could spin my HST, my STV, and Hydrostream viper at will. They were never deemed unsafe...in fact I just considered it fun, what little freeboard there is kept me in the boat.

johnmiffco 05-17-2016 05:11 PM

look at the video at 22-34sec
it shows the bottom im talking about
the bow or front 1/2 of boat is lower than the transom
then it has a keel following to the underneath iin the front
this is backwards to how all other powerboats are built
the boat naturally bow steers,,,,,,
with u having a controlled on purpose spin is totally different
now add in your daughter on a friends POS fishing boat
and it tosses her out unknowing it was going to happen
I know people that have been tossed in these boats when they 1st came out
so its to me no fun thing to unexpectedly to be backwards,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
while standing up with nothing to hold u in
as stated there is many well built/designed flats boats
then there is pos also like this el pescador

BigMike 05-17-2016 08:42 PM

This is pretty silly. Sorry for the girl but this is a bit much. Tax dollars at work...

JRider 05-17-2016 09:31 PM


Originally Posted by johnmiffco (Post 4440162)
look at the video at 22-34sec
it shows the bottom im talking about
the bow or front 1/2 of boat is lower than the transom
then it has a keel following to the underneath iin the front
this is backwards to how all other powerboats are built
the boat naturally bow steers,,,,,,
with u having a controlled on purpose spin is totally different
now add in your daughter on a friends POS fishing boat
and it tosses her out unknowing it was going to happen
I know people that have been tossed in these boats when they 1st came out
so its to me no fun thing to unexpectedly to be backwards,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
while standing up with nothing to hold u in
as stated there is many well built/designed flats boats
then there is pos also like this el pescador

If the company is not out of business by now it will be after litigation....note my freeboard comment in my previous post.

johnmiffco 05-17-2016 09:51 PM

yea they quit making that model many many yrs ago
with all the lawsuits back then to deal with
cannot believe there is still any left out there
if I was a judge back then I would have made builder buy back every 1 to crushem
but guess there is as u can see that boat in vid is old,,,trailer is really bad lookin
now all they make is full tunnels and imagine with a new owner to have no liabiltys of the past

tommymonza 05-18-2016 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by johnmiffco (Post 4440046)
yep,,,,EL PESCADOR boats are crap and unsafe
they been building them for 20 yrs and 000,s of times they have tossed people out
that 1 version was made from a sailboat bottom as why the bow is dragging and boat spins out on the bow
sad part is its the weekend boater that gets hurt
the 1 that is there for a fishing trip or ride not knowing the boat their on
there are some very nice flats boats and then there is the backyard crap

I have seen practically every sailboat made, that ain't no sailboat hull there.

Just a deep forefoot for cutting the chop.

johnmiffco 05-18-2016 11:44 AM

the starting bottom plug was a late 1970s 25 mako hull
cut down the sides
added pocket tunnel to the rear
cut the front nose and narrowed it
and used a front keel that followed about 1/2 way down the bottom
I call it a sailboat design weather is or not as that keel design cuts water and helps to go straight
downfall what they did was make it go lower than the rest of the rear bottom
so it bow steered
when they 1st released them I rode in 1 approx. 20 yrs ago and got out as was rear was walking even going straight in chop
didn't matter how deep u pulled motor down or cup added to prop ,,,bow would not lift so not to bow steer
they sold it pretty quick
repaired many flats boats through the yrs built around here
that 1 particular boat was the worst


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