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Originally Posted by NASCAT
(Post 4477980)
I didn't help him w/ his post, it says "not while driving"
If you are familiar w/ a device one that smokes marijuana would use in order to test themselves like a an alcohol breathalyzer then ask him yourself if he owns such a device and utilizes it to make sure his use doesn't affect others. Maybe he never operates a boat or car within 72hrs of smoking how would I know b/c he's not really clarified his usage other than not while driving. Otherwise he kind of falls into Interceptors category "never happen to me" and I'm wondering how one can know this. To me the thread is about being a responsible boat operator in all aspects related to operating a boat and way less about how much can be consumed when. As a manager a rule of thumb I preach to my teammates here when representing Hendrick Motorsports, Rick Hendrick, our drivers and our sponsors is if you even begin to think "will I get in trouble for doing this" you need not go any further b/c you already have your answer, NO. I also preach WWJD but instead of asking what Jesus would do I suggest they replace the J w/ Rick Hendrick, Jimmie Johnson or Dale Earnhardt so as to give them a little more realistic perspective about whether the decisions or actions they are about to take could be career changing for them. Keep in mind this is a boating forum full of opinions, so the way I conduct myself in life may not work for you or someone else and I'm fine w/ that. Don't confuse drinking with drunk. I think its possible to drink during the day while operating a boat and it hasn't been an issue for me, hope it never is, but I NEVER thought it couldn't happen to me. I choose not to get sloppy drunk and believe an adult can DRINK RESPONSIBLY. |
I think age does have something to do with it though. When I grew up (still open for debate) we could drink in Texas at age 18. There was no open container law, you could drive around and pass a cop with a beer raised high, nothing. 90% of the time, if you were stopped by the police "buzzing", they would have someone else less drunk drive you home, or they would follow you home, if you didn't live too far.
There were no MADD mothers, no "no right of refusal" weekends, no large incomes for governments from the hefty fines.. It was all............different. You could drink and drive. It was accepted, almost mandatory, as most trip distances were premised by how many beers you needed to get there. "Yeah, it's kind of a haul out to Bob's farm, you're gonna need a 6-pack just to get there". In law school, there was Loop around Lubbock. I was poor and had nothing else to do.......I'd jump in my open top Jeep with no doors, ice down a 12-pack, go get some tamales, and drive the loop.....around and around.....until I couldn't safety do it anymore. Beer and drinking was not as demonized as it is now. It was all seen more as a sport than I stupidity. Enter the Boat.......hell, that was considered a SAFE place to relax and drink, almost mandatory. Absolutely part of the culture when I was young. We wouldn't go out on Sunday until noon if we were out of beer the night before (can't sell beer until noon on Sunday in Texas) The lakes have changed, boats have changed, perceptions have changed, and views on drinking and boating have adapted to that change. My dad owned the one of the fastest boats on the lake, a 15' Hollywood Trihull with a tower of power Merc 100hp......we smoked everyone at 46mph, and most were slower than that!!! So speed wasn't near the factor it is today. And there didn't seem to be so many boats on the lake at one time. People seemed more boat savvy back then. I'll be honest, I still look down the beach at those 20-30 somethings partying away and think, you irresponsible crazy bastards..........you lucky, fun loving, no care in the world, irresponsible crazy bastards. ;) |
Originally Posted by thirdchildhood
(Post 4477887)
No I don't see anything wrong with smoking weed and actually think it should be legal. Not while driving though. I have a medical pot card and can legally smoke it at home. Not on the boat. Never. That would definitely impair my ability to drive.
Originally Posted by NASCAT
(Post 4477893)
Interesting so just b/c you don't smoke while boating means it's ok to smoke while on land then boat b/c once you are on water the effects of smoking mysteriously disappear?
I'll try that next time I get stopped at a DWI checkpoint after having had 3 shots at my house then argue I wasn't drinking and driving. You know "not while driving"
Originally Posted by NASCAT
(Post 4477957)
It was a question in order to clarify, not a statement but thank you for pointing out the fact I failed to put a question mark at the end.
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Originally Posted by CDShack
(Post 4477986)
I think age does have something to do with it though. When I grew up (still open for debate) we could drink in Texas at age 18. There was no open container law, you could drive around and pass a cop with a beer raised high, nothing. 90% of the time, if you were stopped by the police "buzzing", they would have someone else less drunk drive you home, or they would follow you home, if you didn't live too far.
There were no MADD mothers, no "no right of refusal" weekends, no large incomes for governments from the hefty fines.. It was all............different. You could drink and drive. It was accepted, almost mandatory, as most trip distances were premised by how many beers you needed to get there. "Yeah, it's kind of a haul out to Bob's farm, you're gonna need a 6-pack just to get there". In law school, there was Loop around Lubbock. I was poor and had nothing else to do.......I'd jump in my open top Jeep with no doors, ice down a 12-pack, go get some tamales, and drive the loop.....around and around.....until I couldn't safety do it anymore. Beer and drinking was not as demonized as it is now. It was all seen more as a sport than I stupidity. Enter the Boat.......hell, that was considered a SAFE place to relax and drink, almost mandatory. Absolutely part of the culture when I was young. We wouldn't go out on Sunday until noon if we were out of beer the night before (can't sell beer until noon on Sunday in Texas) The lakes have changed, boats have changed, perceptions have changed, and views on drinking and boating have adapted to that change. My dad owned the one of the fastest boats on the lake, a 15' Hollywood Trihull with a tower of power Merc 100hp......we smoked everyone at 46mph, and most were slower than that!!! So speed wasn't near the factor it is today. And there didn't seem to be so many boats on the lake at one time. People seemed more boat savvy back then. I'll be honest, I still look down the beach at those 20-30 somethings partying away and think, you irresponsible crazy bastards..........you lucky, fun loving, no care in the world, irresponsible crazy bastards. ;) Times sure have changed. Good post. |
Eric I don't know you , but agree with you 100% . I will not have a drink if I am behind the wheel .
Ed Walberg |
Gentleman much like our presidential race there are going to be opposing views. Don't personalize the comments, I don't. It's a boating forum comprised of many members & everyone's entitled to their opinion.
I respect taxman for taking the time to post a thread and create awareness. How the rest of us choose to interpret it and or which side we choose to align ourselves with is our own business but don't kill the messenger especially if the shoe fits. Have a safe and great Labor Day Boating Wknd! |
If I was drunk enough to start disclosing my drinking habits on a forum there is no way I could use the little keys on this phone. At the very least I'd drive off the road while trying. I applaud you guys for your skills.
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Originally Posted by jusabum
(Post 4477988)
SPOT ON...thats what i was trying to say, only you did it perfectly.
Times sure have changed. Good post. |
Originally Posted by Flightplan
(Post 4477987)
Bartender, I'll have whatever NASCAT is having...
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Originally Posted by NASCAT
(Post 4477980)
If you are familiar w/ a device one that smokes marijuana would use in order to test themselves like a an alcohol breathalyzer then ask him yourself if he owns such a device and utilizes it to make sure his use doesn't affect others. Maybe he never operates a boat or car within 72hrs of smoking how would I know b/c he's not really clarified his usage other than not while driving. 72 hours? That's some good weed!!! I'm out, everyone enjoy their weekend! |
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