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rak rua 11-02-2016 10:17 AM

Powerquest of any interest? New listing and looks very clean in the pics.

http://www.powerboatlistings.com/photographs/45934

RR

MINK 11-02-2016 02:58 PM

I love the Nordic Heats - I've had a lot of seat time in a 496HO MCOB the past couple season in calm water, great lakes and poker runs. The Nordic is well built and is a pretty fast/light hull. What I found when running in rough water or chop is you cant expect to beat through the waves, it's a throttle down and hang on kind of ride.


I'm a huge active thunder fan but the 25 tantrum is TINY

iliveonanisland 11-02-2016 03:45 PM


Originally Posted by MINK (Post 4496943)
I love the Nordic Heats - I've had a lot of seat time in a 496HO MCOB the past couple season in calm water, great lakes and poker runs. The Nordic is well built and is a pretty fast/light hull. What I found when running in rough water or chop is you cant expect to beat through the waves, it's a throttle down and hang on kind of ride.


I'm a huge active thunder fan but the 25 tantrum is TINY

Sounds like a pos to me if it was a.well bult offshore boat you could hammer fhe cdap out of it bruh.. Throttle down do everything you can to aviod the waves doesnt sound like a fun day on the water. All your drunken buds behind screaming nail it and air.the btch out now thats what im talking bout. 24* and a bunch a resin thats what ur lookinng for wont get all loose and out of shape on a novice driver either til he overpowers it a bunch.

snapmorgan 11-02-2016 04:12 PM


Originally Posted by CrownLPX (Post 4496658)
They do! I had one and it was a great boat. I do miss having a MCOB.

To the guy who ripped on the sunny and Nordic, ignore him. That's no different than a ford vs Chevy argument. What I will say is the Nordic is a 22 degree dead rise bot versus the sunnys 24. That aspect alone will provide a better ride. The Nordic are nice but I went sunny based on the cabin alone. For where I boat and how I boat I liked the ability to close it down versus the open flow through I had seen on nordics.


I wasn't ripping on anything, just stating the facts. I have owned a 28' MCOB with a 22deg hull for the past 5 years. I know what a rough ride feels like. Had a 27' MCOB before that. My Advantage is huge compared to the 288 Sunny and it is still rough compared to a heavier 24 deg hull.

iliveonanisland 11-02-2016 06:43 PM


Originally Posted by snapmorgan (Post 4496968)
I wasn't ripping on anything, just stating the facts. I have owned a 28' MCOB with a 22deg hull for the past 5 years. I know what a rough ride feels like. Had a 27' MCOB before that. My Advantage is huge compared to the 288 Sunny and it is still rough compared to a heavier 24 deg hull.

If he plans on boating in anything but lakes buy a 24* hull. You wanna go really fast get a lighter layup boat. But a 22* hull will beat itself and its passengers to death. Some resin buckets have steps. There are so many nice used boats for sale right now its a great time to be in the market. Buy a cig or other brand that will hold value and had an analretentive owner... several #3 & 3a & 5 boats out there now. You can beat em and beat em and not come home on a rope like the bravo boats

iliveonanisland 11-02-2016 10:32 PM

Try this look through the oso classifieds find something u like ask oso'ers bow ot rides performs etc. The search here by make for one in your price range.

http://m.powerboatlistings.com/cgi-b...er=Skater&nh=2

iliveonanisland 11-02-2016 10:33 PM

Try this look through the oso classifieds find something u like ask oso'ers bow ot rides performs etc. The search here by make for one in your price range.

http://m.powerboatlistings.com/cgi-b...er=Skater&nh=2

TorchLK 11-03-2016 06:22 AM

I have a Nordic Rage, they are really well-built boats, look great, and have an efficient stepped hull. They run some good numbers with modest (or stock) 496 power.

With that said, they are not the best rough water boats, but they make an excellent lake boat. If you're running in anything considerably rough I think you're still going to get beat up in anything in the size range you're looking at

Uncle Dave 11-03-2016 11:40 AM

I agree with Island on this.

A 24 degree V will make a noticeable and real difference at the end of a long day.

Where you can notice instantly in a switch from boat to boat is in holding an offshore course against an ocean swell.



UD

c0ncEpT 11-03-2016 11:59 AM

You can find some decent 29' single engine Fevers in the 35-40K range.

caseyh 11-03-2016 12:20 PM

25, 27, 29 outlaw

24-28 pantara

26 donzi

scarab

Nate5.0 11-03-2016 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by c0ncEpT (Post 4497296)
You can find some decent 29' single engine Fevers in the 35-40K range.

Talk about a small cockpit though.

MINK 11-03-2016 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by iliveonanisland (Post 4496958)
Sounds like a pos to me if it was a.well bult offshore boat you could hammer fhe cdap out of it bruh.. Throttle down do everything you can to aviod the waves doesnt sound like a fun day on the water. All your drunken buds behind screaming nail it and air.the btch out now thats what im talking bout. 24* and a bunch a resin thats what ur lookinng for wont get all loose and out of shape on a novice driver either til he overpowers it a bunch.

To each his own, the Nordic is miles from a offshore boat but certainly not a cruiser so if it takes some air under the hull to smoothen out I'm all for it, bruh

scarab63 11-03-2016 04:58 PM

Lot of value in powerquest i think.
I've never owned one but looked one over for a pre purchase and sea trialed it. Nice boats for the $

Uncle Dave 11-03-2016 05:19 PM


Originally Posted by Nate5.0 (Post 4497308)
Talk about a small cockpit though.


The measuring tape got some abuse on this naming convention....not as bad as the 27, but still not a real 29.

UD

Uncle Dave 11-03-2016 05:21 PM


Originally Posted by scarab63 (Post 4497355)
Lot of value in powerquest i think.
I've never owned one but looked one over for a pre purchase and sea trialed it. Nice boats for the $

They are nice boats.

Aside from one model they call the " silencer" the are pretty slow per HP and dont take HP well.

If a lot of nice fiberglass for the money is important they are worth a look - if keeping up with and or beating your buddies is the goal - prob not the boat for you.

UD

CJSYD 11-04-2016 06:50 AM

280 Velocity fits in the category as well.

Offshore10 11-07-2016 08:55 AM

I have always thought the 25 Powerplay was a unique ride. My old man almost bought one years ago. Only problem is i think finding one without the outboard.

https://us.letgo.com/en/i/25-power-p...e-016467bd7cfb

You would have an extra 7-17K for interior upgrades on this one, regarding budget.

Padraig 11-07-2016 09:06 AM

Can't go wrong with Velocity 280.
http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...80-o67235.html
http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...80-o67236.html

Padraig

CLASSIC MUSCLE 11-07-2016 09:27 AM

Wow, thanks for all the responses everyone. I'm very impressed with this forum and how willing to help everyone is. Once I get my boat, I hope to meet some of you guys in person. Anyway, I really don't care for the looks of the Velocity and Powerquest type boats. I really like the 28 Donzi ZXO, Nordic Rage/Heat, and the Sunsation 288 MCOBs. I think the Donzi ZXO is my #1 choice right now, but a lot of them come with twin 350's versus the single 496 or 502. Would the twin 350's on a 2001+ Donzi be closed cooling like the 496 HO?

dirtlawyer 11-07-2016 09:32 AM

Where do you plan on doing most of your boating? The bay definitely can get snotty and is deceivingly rough at times. I like the looks and construction quality of the Nordic, but as many have said, its more of a lake boat. 24* deadrise is key. I would also suggest either outboards or the 496/496HO package. Some great suggestions above - Pantera, Active Thunder, Velocity to name a few.

CLASSIC MUSCLE 11-07-2016 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by dirtlawyer (Post 4498257)
Where do you plan on doing most of your boating? The bay definitely can get snotty and is deceivingly rough at times. I like the looks and construction quality of the Nordic, but as many have said, its more of a lake boat. 24* deadrise is key. I would also suggest either outboards or the 496/496HO package. Some great suggestions above - Pantera, Active Thunder, Velocity to name a few.

I will be running up & down the Gulf side from Clearwater to Tarpon, around St. Pete, etc. Really just seeking a nice-looking, reasonably fast, and comfortable boat to go and hang out at the islands and sand bars on. Will be taking people, and occasionally kids, with me so I'm liking the MCOB layout more and more. Anyone know the dead rise on the 288 Sunsation and Donzi ZXO? And yes, single power 496 HO is my first engine choice if I can find it.

BUP 11-07-2016 09:47 AM

get a mechanical inspection from someone who has been trained on the engine package(s) and drive(s) that you are seriously looking at. A lot of surveyors have never taken any OEM engine manufacturer training classes.

I seen / read at least a 1000 survey reports and not many really have stood out for the engine(s) and drive side of the coin for any indepth diagnostics. .

Do not be impressed by fancy letterheads, nice clean shirts and a very nice big clip boards. for an inspection.

Questions to ask

What OEM engine manufacturer training classes have you been trained in ? By whom ?
If any how long ago ?
What current OEM engine manu training do you have and when ?
Do you have a scan tool ?
What scan tool ? and what is your training with marine scan tools and marine diagnostics ?
What other tools will you be using along with tests to perform engine and drive diagnostics ?
how indepth can we go over the scan report together ?
Do you have the OEM service manuals per the app of inspection ?
what engine and drive mechanical diagnostics are you going to perform ?
Do you have fuel pressure gauges and can tell me what fuel pressure PSI is thru out rpms. Can you perform fuel samples ?
Do you test drive the boat and check for water leaks - hull side and mechanical side along with in the water inspections ?
Engine and drive oil samples would be good to have as well to send off for analysis.

Asking these basic questions might shock you with the answers as for the person performing your pre purchase inspections.

CLASSIC MUSCLE 11-07-2016 10:35 AM

I found a 28FT 2006 Donzi ZXO w/ single 496 HO/425HP. Seller is stating that top speed is 58 mph. Doesn't that seem a little low, or is it just that heavy of a boat?

Tractionless 11-07-2016 10:47 AM


Originally Posted by BUP (Post 4498262)
get a mechanical inspection from someone who has been trained on the engine package(s) and drive(s) that you are seriously looking at. A lot of surveyors have never taken any OEM engine manufacturer training classes.

I seen / read at least a 1000 survey reports and not many really have stood out for the engine(s) and drive side of the coin for any indepth diagnostics. .

Do not be impressed by fancy letterheads, nice clean shirts and a very nice big clip boards. for an inspection.

Questions to ask

What OEM engine manufacturer training classes have you been trained in ? By whom ?
If any how long ago ?
What current OEM engine manu training do you have and when ?
Do you have a scan tool ?
What scan tool ? and what is your training with marine scan tools and marine diagnostics ?
What other tools will you be using along with tests to perform engine and drive diagnostics ?
how indepth can we go over the scan report together ?
Do you have the OEM service manuals per the app of inspection ?
what engine and drive mechanical diagnostics are you going to perform ?
Do you have fuel pressure gauges and can tell me what fuel pressure PSI is thru out rpms. Can you perform fuel samples ?
Do you test drive the boat and check for water leaks - hull side and mechanical side along with in the water inspections ?
Engine and drive oil samples would be good to have as well to send off for analysis.

Asking these basic questions might shock you with the answers as for the person performing your pre purchase inspections.

I completely agree with all of teh above; however, believe most won't want to put up with a headache customer to that degree. Additionally, in some parts of the country surveryor's are few and far between.

BUP 11-07-2016 11:41 AM

^^^^^ depends as money seems to be the key driven factor for both parties. A boat buyer should worry about how much is this 10 to 20 year old USED boat going to cost me after I buy it rather than how much is the inspection going to cost before I buy it. A point that should be in the thought and buying process.

IMO the term used a lot is --- get the boat surveyed ? But no one has ever thrown out all the details along with the diagnostics and what is used for performing the survey. What a compression test ? If you are basing your purchase on moisture meter, a compression test and sea trial only - good luck.

a pre purchase inspection has different levels and again money driven --- how far indepth and how much the buying is wanting to spend. on the inspection. If the price of an inspection is such a concern then do not buy a used boat period. Just saying as it is really hard to say how much a certain boat inspection is going to cost for any buyer upfront.

Good inspections travel and are paid to do so no matter of location.

Nate5.0 11-07-2016 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by CLASSIC MUSCLE (Post 4498277)
I found a 28FT 2006 Donzi ZXO w/ single 496 HO/425HP. Seller is stating that top speed is 58 mph. Doesn't that seem a little low, or is it just that heavy of a boat?

Sounds about right. heavy boat for it's size and the motor is not a HUGE power house.

It does sound like a nice and dependable package though.

Padraig 11-07-2016 12:43 PM

Remember, when it is snotty on the bay an open bow will be wet and those in the open front will be bounced all over. Just FYI

Padraig

Liquid Lifestyle 11-07-2016 12:54 PM

I own a Nordic Heat, and agree with the comments. Great Lake boats, big cabin, great looks. On a holiday weekend at LOTO or out in some big waves on Lake Michigan... I got my ass handed to me. The vast majority of the time though, I love driving it.

Nate5.0 11-07-2016 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by Padraig (Post 4498330)
Remember, when it is snotty on the bay an open bow will be wet and those in the open front will be bounced all over. Just FYI

Padraig

Going to get wet in the back as well in a boat that size.


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