For what it's worth, I went a whole year without a boat as I was searching for my next. Every boat mentioned in this thread was a consideration (except for the Bayliners and Bajas )
If it was a good deal, I would have purchased any of them.

In the debate of competent 24' ers, where does the 24' Condor (from Hialeah Gardens..orig.) fit into the foray? I owned a 1990 with over 1000 hours on the hull. It ran like a mother, and had only 2 small spidercracks on the whole rig after a decade or service in both Southern Atlantic and Northern Atlantic waters.

Wayne "2 times better"-just wondering how you come up with that formula-scientific study?

Here are the facts:

Superboat vs. Progession:

Fully balsa cored? Superboat: No -----------Progression: Yes

Blueprinted bottom out of the factory? Superboat: No -----------Progression: Yes

All composite construction? Superboat: No -----------Progression: Yes (Superboat uses plywood for stringers and bulkheads).

Thru-bolted rubrail? Superboat: No -----------Progression: Yes

AME 4000 resin in construction? Superboat: No -----------Progression: Yes

100% Vacuum bagged? Superboat: No -----------Progression: Yes

Any Progression of the same size with the same power is faster than a Superboat. Any Progression of the same size is lighter than a Superboat. Any Progression of ANY size is stronger than a Superboat. Superboat's warrantee is half that of Progression. You're comparing a Lexus to a Chevy here.

Fastedy, your boat is very nice, and you run it well. Progression does not use hull liners because the hull is tabbed, glassed, and thru-bolted together. That cannot be done on a boat with a liner. If you look inside a Progression, you'll see the composite bulkheads everywhere. A liner will conceal damage from the inside.

You are all smart (I hope) and this information is a phone call away. Call up Baltek and ask them about Progression - they supply the composite panels that they use. For information on Superboat's materials, call Home Depot.

You can laugh, but these are the facts. They are both nice boats, but just not in the same league. Anyone that know anything about these boats will agree to this. Yeah, I'm waiting for you all to bash me because I'm new here.

Yes, I am a Progression owner, and I researched this information. If I wanted a Bayliner, I would have bought one.

Misty

WOW another first time poster.

I really don't care what you drive as long as you show me a picture.

Brian

thank god we have a expert on the board now!!!!

misty you are new and maybe you should mind you own business
this started as a pantera/superboat thing

now go out in the great south bay and play nice with your progression

jh

Jim H,

I'm sorry, but you seem a little offended. I was not trying to talk smack here - what I said is the facts. Like I said, I made the calls and did my research. It is what it is. If I am wrong, I would like someone to correct me. Please do.

By the way, I don't live on the bay where the boats are made. I don't even live in New York.




Misty

Misty,

Good information. The differences you mentioned all sum up to why Progression costs more than a Superboat. I think we are saying the same thing, which is that Progression is built differently and that is reflected in the price. I think that a lot of the Superboat guys would suggest that the differences do not sum up to a boat which is twice as good. Superboats rarely, if ever, break. John has been know to fix virtually anything that goes wrong. Also, translate all of the differences into overall performance and you get 3-4 mph. Now add rough water and the equation changes because the winner of the race must be a good driver and have a reliable engine. It's kind of like this: if you take a good old boy with a Camaro and put him up against a guy driving a foreign sports car with all the latest technology, you can see how the good old boy may just fare better than the Euro-guy. I'm not knocking anybody here, by the way. The point is, if you choose to spend money on the finer details then so be it. But ultimately, if we are talking performance on the water, what counts is who finishes first. Nobody can deny that both Superboat and Progression have had their good days and bad. But I would suggest that the guys who start knocking on one boat or the other go out and meet on the water and report the results. One day when I can afford the finer touches of higher grade materials I just might buy them. On the other hand, I might also realize that for me they aren't worth it. Bottom line, there is always a better, faster, more expensive boat out there. So just when one guy claims he has a better boat, look out because behind him will be his successor. I think we should group together as lovers of Northeast built boats and create a rivalry against Florida built boats. Just for the fun of it. Here's a brief breakdown:
North:
Activator
Kryptonite
Superboat
Hustler
Outerlimits
Progression

Florida:
Pantera
Powerplay
Cigarette
Apache
Sutphen
Phantom

Rtaylor,
I think your only problem with that will be the fact that you will be way out numbered. There are a bunch more boat builders in Florida than you named. I think if you add up the number built in the North and the number built in the South there are a ton more built down South. Maybe it shoud be a rivalry of East versus West...oh wait there already is one. Great boat are built everywhere. How about we all stick together and have a rivalry again PWC riders and tree huggers.

MISTY - My 96 SUPERBOAT 24 definitely has a through bolted rub rail..... as far as the rest of the BS you spewed....I leave it at that.... like Jim H said.... go enjoy your boat for what it is.... bad mouthing other boats doesn't make yours better... certainly not faster!