ASD's in the rough
 

So is there any truth in Full Force's assertion that ASD's are at a disadvantage in big water since they are shallower? I had wondered about this before, but haven't seen anyone mention it in all the Arneson discussion threads which generally dont seem to get far beyond the issue of dangerous shallow cleavers. In fact the gentleman who was selling the old cig hull with Arneson's a month or two back had said they stay hooked up more. Just curious as i dream about ASD's one day...

No

ask k vogt,i believe he has asd,s and runs in lake michigan.

my experience with same boat from bravos and converting to arnesons. The boat hooks better and acts like a longer boat in the rough with the arnesons.

I have surface drives even with the bottom, on boxes, big diameter props. Works just fine in Erie. Not sure what the issue is in rough water with surface drives.... ?

EDIT: they are no.5s, not ASDs, but mounted pretty high for old hull technology. .

No

I went from TRS drives to Arneson drives on a Cigarette flatdeck 38. The Arnesons work way better in rough water.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kd3D_ewF6Ig

a little choppy

A little rougher water arnesons

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HVpWbH6i7lU

nice the arnesons made it but not all the gopro's

You actually thought Tim knew what he was talking about? Lol of course arnesons are superior in every way to TRS.

I had 3A's mounted super high X dimension, ended up being higher then 5s would be. This was on my White Top Gun. Little bit tough getting on plane inititaly if it was super rough. But once the Resin tub was on plane, Big Wheels and 1.68 gear ratio and no problems running in the rough

^Yep, those look mounted pretty high. How high above the bottom were they, and how/what props did you find that worked best all around (I understand the bigger ratio, just curious on props.) ?

It was at the marina, all you had to do was walk over and look at it.... :)

I had 2 sets because I played around with setup. At one time I had 700 HP, then I had 850 ish and then 900. So I sold the boat with 4 blade 17.625 x 30" 4 blades. I also ran with the 900s 18x 32" that were labbed 4 blades. I still believe the best setup is the biggest diameter you can have, then play with labbing or non labbing, worst thing to do is loose diameter. My opinion anyway

No concerns with Arnesons is the rough.

Rough water handling is widely known as one of the best traits of ASD's. Almost surprised by the question. Certainly they have many drawbacks, but rough water is not one of them.

Can you name the drawbacks.

Jr, you forget, between changing fuel filters and blowing up engines, I never spent that much time at the marina.

Hence, why I am working on a Saturday, to pay for another rebuild. This isn't fun anymore.....Wait, I don't get paid for Saturdays, WTF am I doing here?

This topic is laughable, almost every big race setup Mystic/MTI/Platinum/Tencara/Victory around the world runs surface drives but apparently Full Force knows more than all those guys..

I knew that was what your response would be... ��

There are no drawbacks. Cost would be the only thing but you get what you pay for. In life that is pretty much with anything. Also a small company so timeline is sometime s difficult.

I think that video , would have been alot shorter if you still had the TRS drives !

I asked this in the other thread but did not get an answer, what is the approximate cost for the Agnes on Bravo Conversion?

Thanks,

Padraig

Aprox. $47-48K

That's for twins and you install yourself.

Is that for a single?

Padraig

Oops, looks like we posted at the same time.

Tganks

Yes, sorry, I should have specified.

The problem is that the boats are built with bravo garbage in the first place. If they were built with Arnesons and didn't have to be converted, the price difference isn't bad at all.

Very true. Merc. Big fish . GM type deal. Product s built good enough to sell to masses and make money. Niche market, high end better product that performance is better,strong, etc. Cost a lot to bring to market. Not bad when you consider big picture.

I've had TRS,Bravos,Speed masters,Arneson conversion is by far the best system ever developed.

Lol i dont know him or much of the history on here between you all. I previously wondered if they would stay hooked up in big water since they aren't as deep in the water. Lots of threads on OSO about ASD's but none really addressed this question before. Faster, stronger, rooster... no drawbacks except conversion cost and cleavers up your ass when cannonballing off the back of the boat, got it.

Sweet seeing the drives in action. LULZ at 5:06 you can see the 2 lost go pros flying through the air

Of course Tim thinks TRS are superior... that's what he has. Hence, they are the best thing made

Trs boat is better than no boat imo

Strong point ��*♂️

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I did experience a ASD issue coming into haulover on a big day. I was in my 382 NXT boat following a 382 ASD boat. We were off plane and haulover was stacked about 4-6' with the tide going out, wind blowing behind us. I set my NXT's at about +5 to lift the bow as much as it would, Tabs up. The 382 in front of me also trimmed up a bit to lift. He went over one, the surface drives popped out and he went under the next 2. Blew his hatches open and flooded the cabin. Surprised he didn't break the windshield. I was 75' behind him and did not even get any spray at the exact speed. This may have been the only time Kevin was unhappy with the setup. May be operator issue but Kevin owned that boat for 5 years without a similar issue. Please no rants. I'm just sayin.

I have ran Arnesons on my 42 ft 17,000lb Harley Sportfish for many years.
This boat is used hard approx. 150 hours per year, and have never had a drive fail (ever). It can weigh well over 20,000lbs when loaded with ice, bait, fuel, and fat guys, and is used offshore for the most part cruising anywhere from 18 to 40 mph, depending on how big the water is. There is no way a bravo or TRS would live a reasonable amount of time under such conditions. I am continuously puzzled about the negative “traits” that seem to pop up on these forums in regards to Arnesons, and have come to realize the negative comments come from folks that have never owned them.

Traits I have witnessed with my own eyes after caring and feeding a set of ASDs for over 15 years:
The Good:
Efficient, trouble free, good dock handling, and low maintenance.
The bad (kind of)
Not as much reverse thrust, may take a few sets of props to get boat dialed to exactly what you want.

eats the trans up, but is a cheap fix, just a pain to switch out.