Apache Cock fight.
 

Just saw a very, very BEAUTIFUL 1989 41' with big power on facebook but, why do the Apache owners think these boats are worth 3, 4, 5 times the value of boats made, of the same quality, of the same year? I understand that the boats are wavecrushers, but crap, but it takes 2000 HP to do what, 80/85 mph?

Still, I want one! - just to blast through anything my little lake will throw at it, but not for 150/200K for a 25/30 year old slow boat? There use to be several boats for sale in the classified, only 2 now.... did they all sell or the owners give up?

I love the old boats cause that is all my checkbook allows, but I have never understood the owners values on these old 41' Apaches???

Flame away.

Because they have more then that invested in the restoration and they're trying to recoup their investment??

Ive been told (and seen) more than once that its far better to simply buy a new boat than restore an old one.

Why buy a $250,000 car that a $90k Corvette will be just as good or better ?
Because that's what those buyers want and are willing to pay.

Why stay at a $40k per week Vacation home for a week or two?
Because that's what those buyers want and are willing to pay.

Why consume a few $1000-1500 bottles of wine during dinner ?
Because that's what those buyers want and are willing to pay.

Why go to that Sushi restaurant in New York that can cost you $7k-$15k for a table of two ?
Because that's what those buyers want and are willing to pay.

Life is so simple!!!!

That's well put.

Have you ever went for a ride on one? What boat are you talking about pleasure or race? Race will do 100 with less than 1000 a side. There is not many apaches to chose from very small list so the prices will be a lot higher.

Owner is a member here, and its a super nice/freshly redone boat. That's about all I know, besides that I also couldn't afford it lol

I think it's a simple case of supply and demand. There's not too many out there and they ain't makin any more. I agree they are high in price but most of them have big dollar hardware and for a buck fifty someone can have a legendary boat that will be a thrill to own and operate. If I can only have one boat it wouldn't be my first choice but if I had FU money, I'd own one.

I don't think it's overpriced for the shape it appears to be in and like someone already said they aren't making any more of them...Aside from how sweet they look, the history behind them and how well they ride etc. etc., you ALL have to admit, how cool it would be to say when someone asked you what kind of boat you owned and to be able to say "Well actually...an APACHE"!! :asskiss:

I've never ridden in one but have no doubt they're an awesome ride, especially in the rough.
That said, I doubt you could convince me that a boat designed and built 30 years ago is a match for any of the newer breed of boats designed this century. If conventional straight bottom deep V and heavy is the best then why don't manufacturers build just that? Don't want this to be another " Timmy V Philly" thread but the bigger consensus on the poll backed the newer boat, yes I know it also had bigger power but the thread wasn't about ultimate speed.

Love the old school style of some of the more classics boats, Apaches aren't the only one's priced up a bit but life is full of choices and personally, I'd choose a newer ride for the same bucks.

To each his own, makes life interesting. :)

RR

Yes, they still make them. Just not the 41.

https://apachepowerboats.com/models/...s/42-renegade/


And they make a 24 with an eggbeater now too!

https://apachepowerboats.com/models/...-24-speedster/

How many have they actually made of those two models? The site is pretty light on real world pictures.

To the best of my knowledge...........NONE

there is also Saber Marine that I guess has molds of the 41....
41 Banshee
would be interesting to see their 44 center console based off the 41. you'd think given the hot trend in CC's and the love affair with the Apache this would be an easy sell but I don't think I've seen one.
44 Center Console

It Is What It Is...with that being not everyone is an Apache buyer....you want an Apache for a certain reason not just because you want a bigger boat with big engines that you could find on any dealers listing

Just like the older Ferrari market from 1989 back.

It would be like buying a sweet 69' Camaro Z28...you know a new one does everything better, but its simply not a 69.

Everyone seems to forget the Apache is the only boat capable of handling both LOTO and Lake Erie waters.

Supply and Demand. Fact is, if you don't like the price....don't buy it. Their is an A** for every seat. The thing is, the price is starting point and maybe the owner will negotiate a little bit, but in the past 20 years that I have been watching the Apache market, the nice ones seem to get bought and sold without problems/hesitation so the prices must be in line. The problem for many that do buy these older Apache's is they run into the cost of ownership. Takes a lot to maintain an older Apache. Drives, Transmissions, usually big Blower motors, and the fact is, you are going to drive the thing with Anger because it is what it is. Stuff will break.

Are we talking about "The Chief", blue Mitcher T boat?

If so, the name of this thread is making me think of "No Reservations" given is owner association to the Two Cocks Fight Fountain.

Yes, the blue Mitcher T boat. Formerly the Gay Buffalo Hunter.

I love my APACHE and I will not own anything but an APACHE, I want to add a 21 with eggbeaters then a 37 T/S. Then one day a 41. Nothing takes the rough better in my opinion. just saying, not trying to start anything.

Some boats have to sport high speeds to be earn their stripes, Apaches can just sit at the dock and look bad ass. Because it takes 20,000hp to make it go 75 makes it no less bad ass.

Downhill with a tailwind. LOL

You really need to go for a ride in one to understand, 2,000 hp will be in the low 90's in a pleasure 41 and you will leave the faster boats behind when it gets rough.

That's pretty sweet but the cc market favors more width. And trips are a little weak on that boat.

The blue boat looks good but for 200k it should have 6s. I'm glad apaches have some value because people will restore them and keep them nice.

If you don't like the price buy an old scarab.

I read some of these replies and have to laugh. As someone mentioned, supply and demand but also taste, budget, and a whole host of other underlying factors that go into purchasing a boat. With that said, why would anyone pay $550K for a 36 Skater with eggbeaters? So you can go 115mph? big deal, there is always someone faster. And how about a 38 Beak with 565 and Bravos for $450K? Fact is the boating industry is unfortunately mostly filled with scam artist trying to obtain fat pockets from the consumer no matter the cost of their reputation.

The definition of a powerboater is someone who spends money they don't have, on something they don't need, to impress people they don't know. PERIOD

Sorry for nit-picking the above post but 450k for a 38 Fountain? The 2017 in the classifieds, probably the only one that will ever be built, is listed at 375k.
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Agree with you how there's always someone faster, bigger, newer, flashier etc so I just go with my heart and stick to my budget. :)

RR

Not so fast man... I agree that guys like this are around, but I also think lumping everybody that power boats into this definition is wrong. I've had several boats, paid cash, and bought them because it's something that makes ME happy. I could care less what anybody thinks. Plenty of good people left in this game that don't roll into the dock playing music so loud that it's literally impossible to ignore them. 4000 watts worth of speakers blasting out of the pop up deck hatches...

HAHA i was just joking to see if anyone was actually reading my entire post, I heard that once and always thought it needed to be put on a shirt. I know it doesn't apply to most of us. And the beak started at 425-450K before it was lowered, I assume it will continue to drop. Just my thoughts .......

That quote was accurate in the late 80's early 90's!

So, did the 89' ever sell? Last I saw, the asking price had only dropped 5K.