What's the deal at 15:10?

Blah blah blah. What you said up thread is clearly wrong. Now you're trying to reframe the argument.

Looks like a pretty douchy move by the OL...

there is no argument here.
If you want to argue, it won't be with me on a forum page. I simply stated facts.
Stock 42 lightning boats with 1075's typically from the factory with standard setup would come with a performance report in 125 mph range.
Your own video you posted 3rd one showed the same thing.
The stock poker run 42 1075 that was at performance apparently ran what I posted.
My post you quoted was accurate as well. If one boat runs xxx and someone did work on the boat then that does not mean all the same models will run that. Using that boat as a normal would not be accurate.

On a side note someone posted a quote that the poker run boat went 10 mph faster by adding 75 hp per motor.
I'm not saying the boat doesn't go that fast, I'd assume it's documented and it does go that fast. But to believe adding 150 hp total to a boat and it will go 10 mph faster... either more hp than that was added or the setup was changed.
150 hp total does not make any boat go 10 mph faster. There is physics involved and it will effect all boats no matter fountain, ol, skater, mti,
Obviously that boat is a good runner.

I'm not taking sides here........I really could care less. However, you don't see all the markers on the OL's right? He had been up against them for quite some time leading up to that point.

Apparently it started with 1000hp zuls.

Of the 4 known big power PRs, 2 go over 150, 1 over 140, and the 4th is unknown or being built.

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KWright , 05-13-2017 03:40 AM
1, Bootlegger pirate boat 525's bravos
2, White w/ blue Chad's old boat 600 sci imco's
3, The one for sale in finland upgraded 700 sci 6 drives
4, Saratoga stampede Doc's old boat 1075 sci 6 drives converted to canopy now in Tobago
5, Blue and green one just upgraded at Teague 1200? 6 drives
6, Fast hands Billys boat 1150 6 drives
7,the custom one from Kirban
8, Rainmaker currently being upgraded 525 efis 6 drives

If I got anything wrong feel free to correct.
The one in the Fountain video is Doc's boat I belive.

Hogie- the Hustle Guy is a special dude- he originally responded to this thread thinking someone was trying to just start a keyboard war. This thread was originally brought up as a RACE boat thread and SOME people have to search for defense. Fact of the matter is, the Fountains have always been proven to be faster. These OL guys make the case for 2017 OL full Carbon sit down boats to be running faster than 2008 42 Fountains. They just can’t handle the fact that Fountain race boats are the class of the field. Then Hustler guy wants to say he states facts about these pleasure boats but then can’t handle the FACTS of an OL Race boat not being up to par. Next out of his mouth will be his OL Cat is just flat out better than a Skater! Just flat out pathetic and embarrassing!

You forgot honesty.
In order to be the true winner you must comply with the rules.
the 29 ol is not as fast as the phantoms or extremes in that class when it is setup in parity along with the other svl teams.

My little girl says Fountains have always been faster and when I told her I sold my Fountain and bought a Donzi she was dumbfounded......(She didn't think much of Outerrlimits either)

P.S. No 'skank' remarks please. :)

The instigator boat flies. Twisted metal/cooper standard does also. However I don't recall them racing this year. Maybe once? really curious to see how the carbon race boat turns out. Which is not the kilo boat. Kilo boat is standard materials. The carbon boat was sold to a customer supposedly being rigged at some point to race. I'd like to see a 42 lightning laid up with the materials OL uses to keep their 41 under 10k pounds. That would be a fast ass 42

the poker run fountain you're talking about is mine. The old engines made a best Dyno pull of 1050 hp . In reality they were more like 1000 in the boat. The new power makes 1150 HP consistantly . That's 300 HP more !!!!!
The speeds are also the best the boat has seen under perfect conditions . My boat has not been modified and I doubt you will find anyone that has more time dialing in their boat than I do with this fountain .You
have no idea what gear ratio , props, drive height I run in the boat , so to make a comment of doubt without any knowledge is insulting to me.

On another note there is NO rivalry between me and OL. I am personal friends with Joe Sgro. The video of him cutting in front of me looks worse than it really was . Joe and I spoke before the run and agreed to run all the way at 100-110 mph . We BOTH had new drivers in the boat and neither of us felt comfortable going faster. I saw the red makers on the right and told my driver that joe would be moving over , I was already pulling off the throttles to allow him to move over.

Although I appreciate the nice words about my boat I don't want it involved in a pissing match of cheerleaders.

Back to racing guy's. What HP are these race boats making in Super Boat spec class. Do you think they are equal? As spectators watching these boats race what do you all see different? I see the OL looks loser and chine walks more Than the Fountains. Even after just one lap it looks like the Fountains have MPH (2-5)? on the OL yet very stable. It maybe closer than I think. Sometimes at the start of a race on the first lap you know if you have a chance. At some point if you are not there you slip into less than 100% of what you are capable of and it looks like you are really getting beat bad. Not saying this is the case.

I believe that class is 750.

http://superboat.com/wp-content/uplo...IALRESULTS.pdf

The full results are right here, every lap speed. As you can see the Fountain won by 1:14. That in Racing is called not even close. Like Typhoon said in 1st post- it’s not even close. I mean that’s almost enough time to go have a drink before the other boat finishes. And based off the times, the Fountain was darn near a whole half lap ahead of the OL

I Think the tittle of this thread says it all- Outer L Racing... we all know what the L stands for. Lose

The Super vee extreme is a spec class and all the motor have to meet spec.

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they are closer to 850 hp. 572 ci .740 lift 7000 rpm
The pleasure outerlimits are pretty boats. But the race boats are the most ill handling chine walking boats I have ever seen!

I am getting out of this thread because one guy needs to take items personally, change wording around in his head. Trying to drag me into a bunch of Pissing matches. In one of his PM's he sent me he calls it being competitive... I call it something else.
He's gone to the point of sending me a few PM messages calling me every 4 letter word you can think of because he loves fountain (his own words) and apparently in his mind nothing any different from what he believes should be said?
Also I'm a bunch of 4 letter words because earlier this summer I asked a question on the forum and he PM'd me offering me to call him but this was after I already had already dealt with it and I didnt respond to him so now he's apparently got a real thing against me. (Sorry bud get over it)

I consistently have said the 42 fountains have been winning on the races for years with years of dialing them in. No dig on Fountain, giving the racers and boats credit for doing so, I believe that was the original question on this thread.
Somehow the thread progressed to where I feel very few people go to a race and say that fountain won on Sunday I should go order one on Monday and I voiced my opinion that more people go to a poker run and see how a boat ran and looked and decided to buy a boat from that experience. This particular person once again disagreed and sent me another pissed off PM (are you kidding me?).
Then along the way the question turned to all out speed, I then pointed out the speed of pleasure boats in comparison OL vs Fountain. Once again no dig on fountain, I just presented the facts of how the OL pleasure boat speeds run vs the fountain pleasure boats. This person again gets angry with me. (Bud I pray you can get over your anger and grudge against me soon)

I'm not into the Pissing Match that some like to do on here and I dont care to be involved in it so I will lay it out one more time. Other than that Precision you can go start a pissing match with someone else (or be competitive as you call it in your pleasant PM's). The thread had good discussion going for awhile then...

Fountain powerboats have been winning on the race course
Fountain has built some good running 42 poker runs that people have spent alot of time fine tuning them especially Billy's.
The OL SV or SL boats in the pleasure versions (non carbon/ epoxy or Carbon) are running 10-15 mph faster from the factory with comparable engines over the fountain lightning models, as far as poker run versions I dont know enough about to speak accurately.

One last thing for this one particular person/Hater. You posted this. Next out of his mouth will be his OL Cat is just flat out better than a Skater! Just flat out pathetic and embarrassing!
1. You put words in my mouth, I dont believe I ever said my Cat is better than a Skater. That is not something I likely would say or post.
2. You know nothing about my Cat. If you did you would definitely not be talking crap about it honestly. your comments about something you know nothing about are embarrassing.
3. But if your going to speak so boldly? How would you like to compare this 46 skater to my 46 OL Cat? Do you want to do a acceleration drag race? Do you want to do a top speed run? Do you want to run it in the rough?
I will gladly take you up on any and all of those items you just let me know when your ready to bring one with 1350's.
There are a number of the big name cat guys/racers/riggers (some of which are skater guys, some mti guys, some mystic guys) who have been in my boat or driven it. I doubt any of them will have 1 bad thing to say about my boat in acceleration or speed or handling.
My Cat is Bad Ass and I'm not afraid to see it run against any cat in similar size and power, If you wanna try and prove its not, give it a shot or shut it.

I'm out

Yes please go to your safe space. Others on here have called you out for being pathetic yourself. Your original response to this thread was you assumed someone was starting a fight. Do your self a favor and learn what words of expression are. They aren’t putting words in ones mouth, big difference. I’ll send you tissues. I never took anything personally or have a anger problem with you. I think you are a piece of work tho. Just like the other guy said, you don’t know his boat- prop size gear ratio etc. So I guess only you are entitled to speak out of your A$$?! Then someone calls you on it and they have an anger issue?! CLOWN!!

Play nice guy's !!!! Thanks for the time charts it shows aprox a 2 MPH difference in speed.

Geez, this thread got retarded...someone is sending PMs over this stupid sh!t? Good grief, they're all nice boats and I'd love to have any of them.

I got a video or two like that from 17 year ago too. The fountain rides High in the front. I like that way. mine really lands nice. I've seen some outerlimits hitting their chine.. The outlimits rides more flat

Well in 19 days there will be another chance.

So the only determining factor of who wins or looses in an offshore race is who builds the hull? I’ll have to let everyone in key west know in a few weeks that horsepower, weight, prop selection, gearing, driver and T-man ability/aggressiveness, ability to stay together etc. has nothing to do with it !

I would agree and if you take that in account, Steve,and Joe should have a huge advantage over AMH Fountain.

It really is sad the way the Dr and Forhand dirtied and tarnished the Fountain name by their continuous use of cheater motors.
And downright pathetic the way they continued their underhanded small-man racing in the new SVL Outerlimits.
Fortunately, they were forced to fade away in shame before they went for an unexpected ride in a porta-party.
To the point, While these two are obvious losers, It's my opinion that the real loser was Outerlimits. They introduced a beautiful pleasure single engine V, and single engine SVL, only to have their name and reputation tarnished by the magic master and passenger.
Fact is, both the Race AND pleasure OL's are Beautiful boats. Wouldn't it be exciting to see the Fountain & OL , with respectable-reputable teams go at it in an actual certified kilo run, with actual equal motors and thorough inspections followed by a day of racing in Key West, (also with actual thorough inspections) ??

Kilo's would be great again to see heads run runs from all the teams.

Last kilo I ran was at Fountain yrs ago they had a great set for kilo runs. SBI ran Kilo in conjunction with the race they had in North Carolina

It's all about the corners. How long are the courses now? 4-4.5 miles. Watch the Fountains, if they do get bent out of shape the fountains recover so fast, where the Outerlimits looks like it's on the verge of spinning out every turn. It would be great to see some Forehand shenanigans with Peter Meyer in the mix. Something about the fishes.

Wow! I had respect for you right up until this last comment. You're making yourself look like a jackass on here. Everyone is brand loyal that's what makes this boating crowd fun. Now resorting to name calling on a message board. Silly. You sound almost as dumb as RF3 on facebook.

Fair enough, although my problem was not with you. I get the brand loyal part as I am too. That wasn’t the point. I’m over it, no problems here. But if I lost your respect over this disagreement with someone else, then it is what it is.

Well at least your edit showed a tad bit more class then your first response.

Rollin , what’s next for you ? I see your boat for sale?

All I can do sometimes is Laugh! Lol

He shows his true colors in his original posts. Careful next comes the irrational PM messages
Take a look back at everyone of precision post, There is a pattern here every time he posts something its rude and nothing but divisive. Then he thinks better of it or for some other reason edits every single post to act as if he's a not so rude.
He cant edit the ridiculous PM messages he sent me over and over. I like the PM he sent me saying that he is not brand loyal but above post he is brand loyal, LOL.
True colors and low class always shine through in time.

I never sent you a PM ever stating I wasn’t brand loyal. I still think you are a tool, you can think the same about me. I managed to get 2 OL people to not like me. Lol... You can think I’m low class, and I’ll continue to stand by what I called you. And yes ultimately I still mean what I say the 1st time. Just tried to clean them up for the weak. I could careless what the two of you think of me, PERIOD!

And let me say this- DONT WORRY THIS POST WILL NOT BE EDITED!!

Be clear Reggie put together multiple of the best wining racing teams in offshore history. His set up and knowledge for a vbottom was second to none. He built and trained all the guys and boats that are winning today. The boats were designed with racing in mind (turn very well). He loved it so much it was one of the reasons the company went bankrupt and shut down. Now OL Mike, his focus was for the finest custom build poker run boat. He was a true innovator in style fit and finish, no one can argue with that. He did have a vision very early on, and he was right. 2 boats racing and 100+ boats at poker runs. OL business plan was very different from Fountain they never felt racing was the future, the racing was always in Joe Sgros blood. OL new race boat has very little test time, they are so busy with other things. Check out the factorys new 50 with 1350 I was in it at 150 amazing boat.

Not 100% sure yet. Working on that now.

Be very interesting to put the Fountain, and OL SV's run a kilo with spec motors.

What I would like to see, would be a side by side Kilo, not unlike a drag race, so that changing conditions from back to back runs couldnt even be a factor.

I think it would be fun to see the kilo boats at the loto shootout......

I agree.

And it would be cool to see a pair of your motors in a Kilo boat. :)