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enzo thecat 10-03-2018 02:02 PM

Building a home with a garage for a cigarette
 
I’m building a home with storage for a cigarette boat I want the garage to be long enough to store a 46’ boat WITH THE TRAILER. Right now the engineer has the garage at 51.5ft long. Is that long enough? Who can I contact and ask besides Lipships? I tired calling them but they aren’t “equipped” to answer such questions (to put it nicely).


Thank you

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c0ncEpT 10-03-2018 02:16 PM

Not long enough. It needs to be 60ft minimum IMO.

payuppsucker 10-03-2018 02:25 PM

My 42' is 51' on the trailer.

AllDodge 10-03-2018 02:37 PM

It always needs to be bigger, what happens if you get a longer boat someday?
IMO you can never have enough garage, built a 30x48 and later a 40x64. My buddy had the right Idea, 40x104, or at least the right idea at this time :bananalove:

Sydwayz 10-03-2018 03:13 PM

If you can go as big as you want at this point, go with a minimum of 75' deep or so. This will allow you to keep any 38'-ish foot boat AND the tow rig on the same side. This is favorable so you can get all set for a trip, packed up AND hitched up ahead of time. Converse goes for when you get home late, and you want to stick the whole thing in the garage and go to bed.

A good rule of thumb & conservative measurement is boat length plus 7 feet. Any kind of stand off boxes and/or SSM/surface drives? Add ~2 feet.
And remember that a drive guard is a sound investment behind that kind of high dollar hardware, which might be another foot on the trailer.

dcb 10-03-2018 03:52 PM

My 38 top gun on a Manning trailer with drive guard just fit into my 51' long building. I had about 1.5 - 2 feet behind the guard. As has been stated - make your building/garage as long as possible. I was restricted to 51'.

enzo thecat 10-03-2018 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by dcb (Post 4652571)
My 38 top gun on a Manning trailer with drive guard just fit into my 51' long building. I had about 1.5 - 2 feet behind the guard. As has been stated - make your building/garage as long as possible. I was restricted to 51'.

Oh Geeze. 51' FOR A 38' Boat?


And a garage much longer starts to get too punitive; not only the cost but the ingress and egress from the road and the general look of the house with a super long garage sticking off it. At that point, I will just pay my marina to store it along with my other boat. Maybe I need to rethink this. Damn it.

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F-2 Speedy 10-03-2018 04:49 PM

ya hang a 60 footer on the side of a house it starts looking like a drive through car wash.......maybe some were thinking detached shop ?? some trailers have a longer tongue than others and if it has a drive guard that adds another 3-4 ft....mine is 50 deep and there's about 4 ft in the rear of the boat, my 38 on a Pacific trailer is about 46 ft.

outlw36 10-03-2018 05:38 PM

I'm building one right now. My 42 tiger is 48 feet on the trailer
60' garage - 1.5 feet for foundation walls inside will leave me approx. 5' in front and in back
add tool boxes to the back wall and it will shrink some more.
Going with 12'6" ceiling height but leaving the back 20' open so I can raise the hatch all the way open
10' tall door

StewLow 10-03-2018 05:40 PM

Ask the engineer/designer to make a 60’ garage look good. Nobody is going to notice another 8.5’.
Also ensure you have lots of door width to eliminate pinch points.
A few months back there was a thread where members helped design another members shop!

ICDEDPPL 10-03-2018 06:52 PM

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...3b1b238d2e.jpg


Better safe than sorry

Jupiter Sunsation 10-03-2018 08:44 PM

My buddy got a deal on a odd lot in a very cool neighborhood. He designed the house with a pull through garage (16 X 52) and called it a firehouse design. He built the house on the sunny side of the garage wall so it was long and narrow like the garage.
https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sal...61_rect/17_zm/

House was awesome, everyone loved the design despite the monster garage.

Griff 10-04-2018 01:08 AM

When I built my house 14 years ago I had a 28 Pantera and wanted to move up to a 32 AT, which I did. My 3rd car tandem garage was a standard option and almost 39' long. I could have made it bigger for $25 sq ft, but didn't think I'd need it. I can still extend it, but the cost would be at least $100 sq ft now. I kick myself for not going another 10' longer at the time. It is a contributing factor as to why I have not moved up in boat size.

Interceptor 10-04-2018 09:31 AM

Do these oversize garages impact resale of the home ? Got to believe they would only appeal to another boat owner or possibly car collector putting you in a small market segment.

Wobble 10-04-2018 10:04 AM


Originally Posted by Interceptor (Post 4652675)
Do these oversize garages impact resale of the home ? Got to believe they would only appeal to another boat owner or possibly car collector putting you in a small market segment.

Mines 60x90 and the appraisal district seems to be a big fan of its value.

dcb 10-04-2018 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by Interceptor (Post 4652675)
Do these oversize garages impact resale of the home ? Got to believe they would only appeal to another boat owner or possibly car collector putting you in a small market segment.

They can also be used for RV storage.

TylerBurich 10-04-2018 12:09 PM


Originally Posted by Interceptor (Post 4652675)
Do these oversize garages impact resale of the home ? Got to believe they would only appeal to another boat owner or possibly car collector putting you in a small market segment.

I had a 30'x50' boat storage/shop on a separate lot next to my last home. Exterior finishes went together looked like they were built together. When I sold the house I had to split up the properties, two separate buyers. Couldn't believe it, I mean who wouldn't want a six car garage right next to their house!? I think the reality is that with these style of homes/garages you can bet on not getting your money back.

TexomaPowerboater 10-04-2018 12:46 PM

The RV storage is a great point and for that reason I would want something with plenty of length and height - enough to clear a tall 5th wheel trailer.

Difficult to know if it would ever add value to a house. I would think that there are enough buyer's out there that are looking for houses with exactly that kind of storage and would certainly think most men dream of man caves big enough for anything and everything. From experience, I bought a house with a 30X40 detached shop with second story loft, but the heights of the door is only standard height so a little less than 7ft. If you consider the price I paid the shop was given virtually no value whatsoever. However, If I had the budget I would of paid another $50-100K for it.

glassdave 10-04-2018 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation (Post 4652619)
My buddy got a deal on a odd lot in a very cool neighborhood. He designed the house with a pull through garage (16 X 52) and called it a firehouse design. He built the house on the sunny side of the garage wall so it was long and narrow like the garage.
https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sal...61_rect/17_zm/

House was awesome, everyone loved the design despite the monster garage.

how long does it take to get to open water from that? Just curious really, cool house and good idea.

Knot 4 Me 10-04-2018 01:11 PM

Around here steel buildings (Morton, etc.) that are part storage/part house are becoming more and more popular.

https://mortonbuildings.com/projects/home-cabin

Jupiter Sunsation 10-04-2018 05:11 PM


Originally Posted by glassdave (Post 4652710)
how long does it take to get to open water from that? Just curious really, cool house and good idea.

House wasn't on the water but the freshwater ramp was about 1/5 of a mile away for the Lake. Salt water ramp was probably 2 miles east. Most leave the salt ramp and drive right to the fresh water ramp and dunk everything, flush the motors. It really pi$$es off the bass boat guys trying to get off the lake.

My buddy raced formula fords so he wanted a garage he could work in, take a car apart on or off the trailer without much hassle. His thought was the next owner would be a boater or a RV owner that would want the garage. Best part is the way the house was laid out the garage didn't seem to overpower the house. If you pulled in from the front you only noticed the big door but didn't realize it was so long.

Jupiter Sunsation 10-04-2018 05:18 PM


Originally Posted by Interceptor (Post 4652675)
Do these oversize garages impact resale of the home ? Got to believe they would only appeal to another boat owner or possibly car collector putting you in a small market segment.

I'd think "aesthetics" plays a huge role in how many people want it. If it is a plain steel building that doesn't match the house it probably won't add much value. If it overpowers the house that could be an issue also. If it is heated/ac'd then more people might be able to utilize it.

I looked at a goofy lot today, 80 wide X 1500 deep. Setbacks make the lot really unique and surrounding area is very mixed (125K dumps next door, 14mm houses 1/3 mile east). Builder is showing a golf area, a tennis court, a huge garage plus a guest house/pool then the main house. Nothing is more than 50-60 ft wide but very long. Price is high for the lot but after you built all that crap he shows you would be in it for 2-2.5mm and it would be very tough to sell to anyone (dry lot, water is across the street).

Jupiter Sunsation 10-04-2018 05:26 PM

This is near my buddy's old house: huge garage (notes it can handle 2 50 ft RV's)but the house is a DUMP for 2.3mm. Garage isn't really finished well either.
https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sal...ct/17_zm/1_rs/

Griff 10-05-2018 12:53 AM


Originally Posted by Interceptor (Post 4652675)
Do these oversize garages impact resale of the home ? Got to believe they would only appeal to another boat owner or possibly car collector putting you in a small market segment.

I have never met anybody that said their garage was too big. Mine blends right in. Third door is a foot taller than the double and garage runs the entire length. If I had went deeper, all it would have done is add privacy to my back patio area.https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...ea58675101.jpg

sailtexas186548 10-05-2018 06:53 AM

Boat length plus ten feet minimum. My 30’ boat is 39’ on a trailer, the 33’ becomes 42’ on the trailer.

i would go 100’ deep if I had the room


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