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Donzi1979 05-06-2019 09:34 PM

Never knew this boat existed
 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1982-Cobalt-CS7-/143211395681

Thought this was pretty cool the guy did a nice job. Although the rumble seat might be a chore for adults. 24 degree dead rise too.

larslindroth 05-07-2019 01:00 AM

Very cool find! Here's an ad from before he decided to do the restoration of it. The 17' CS7 has 22 degrees at the transom, whereas the 19' CS9 that came on the market the year after, in 1983, has 24 degrees.

https://boats-from-usa.com/cobalt/cobalt-cs7-34861

Photo of CS9.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...0d84e7c760.jpg

Smarty 05-07-2019 08:51 AM

I appreciate the amount of labor and love that went into making that 1982 Cobalt a better looking boat.

I like threads like this, nice find.

forabeer 05-07-2019 09:32 AM

A true bow rider! Cool boat.

Knot 4 Me 05-07-2019 10:18 AM

If it wasn't in FLA I'd seriously consider buying it to use on my small (4,900 acre) local lake since it would easily fit in my 3rd garage stall. Nice find!

Donzi1979 05-07-2019 11:08 AM

^^^^ I agree on a small local lake and with my younger kids it would be the perfect set up for a neat day boat and water sports. I have the same issue it's too far away. Add thru hulls with silent choice and it still could be kind of sporty.

madbouyz 05-07-2019 01:32 PM

Looks like a Jim Wynne hull to me .

larslindroth 05-07-2019 03:36 PM


Originally Posted by madbouyz (Post 4685792)
Looks like a Jim Wynne hull to me .

It sure is. A nice story about when Jim Wynne arrived at Cobalt Boats, for the first time, in 1973.

https://cobaltboats.com/art/brochures/Cobalt_1986.pdf

Twin O/B Sonic 05-07-2019 08:38 PM

Gorgeous.

Runs good too.

madbouyz 05-08-2019 06:51 AM

Lars, you're a treasure trove of info. I just wish I had the foresight to keep all of my stuff from back in the day when I was getting started.

larslindroth 05-09-2019 11:15 PM

Jim Wynne R.I.P.
 

Originally Posted by madbouyz (Post 4685933)
Lars, you're a treasure trove of info. I just wish I had the foresight to keep all of my stuff from back in the day when I was getting started.

For us Scandinavians, Jim Wynne has a special place in our hearts. He was instrumental to both Volvo Penta and Danish boat manufacturer Botved Boats' Coronet brand's success. Since Wynne also did a lot of racing, many of us that loved boats while growing up over there in the '60s and '70s read everything we could get our hands on about Wynne, Aronow and Bertram. Naturally after coming across the pond 35 years ago the quest to keep discovering the performance boating history for myself has continued. Since I don't like to hoard stuff I've from time to time given away most of my boating magazines, but I got a select few books and Nautical Quarterly that will most likely stay with me for a little longer. The internet is such a library in itself, that it's difficult to justify piling up stuff. I remembered the story about Wynne heading to Cobalt from quite a ways back, and now all I had to do was hit google "Cobalt Boats" and "Jim Wynne" and both magazines' and Cobalt Boats' own brochures telling of the story popped up online. Sure makes life easy for an inquiring mind.

Originally Posted by Twin O/B Sonic
Gorgeous.
Runs good too.

Wow, You've run one of these cool 17 or 19 footers?

Photos, courtesy of the Coronet Yacht Club, depicting(left to right), Dane Ole Botved, Swede Sven-Erik Örjangård, and Jim Wynne before the trip and during, while refueling on their 1958 crossing of the Atlantic from Gothenburg to New York in a twin OMC powered Coronet 22 Explorer fiberglass boat by Botved Boats.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...e6e3393e75.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...a8d63d8149.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...92f78405f3.jpg

Twin O/B Sonic 05-10-2019 02:51 AM

Lars, my comment was in re to the one for sale where the owner reported s top speed of I believe, 65.

Has been some brilliant people involved in our sport/hobby.

madbouyz 05-10-2019 06:51 AM

And another even lesser known one it seems , lars ....

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/312331276693?ul_noapp=true (hope that link works)

This was my pop's 2nd boat back in the day. My best friend's dad got the 19 footer at the same time. To this day they are still amongst the best performing boats that I've been on.

larslindroth 05-10-2019 08:52 PM

Jim Wynne designed Crestliner boats.
 

Originally Posted by Twin O/B Sonic (Post 4686249)
Lars, my comment was in re to the one for sale where the owner reported s top speed of I believe, 65.

Has been some brilliant people involved in our sport/hobby.

Yes, that top speed might be questionable, but all I care about as usual is solid seaworthiness and I bet those little Wynne-hulls, for that era, surely delivered.


Originally Posted by madbouyz (Post 4686259)
And another even lesser known one it seems , lars ....

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/312331276693?ul_noapp=true (hope that link works)

This was my pop's 2nd boat back in the day. My best friend's dad got the 19 footer at the same time. To this day they are still amongst the best performing boats that I've been on.

Wow, a Crestliner Crusader 23! When the dollar tanked in '73/'74, we got a few shipments of neat American boat brands to Sweden, we normally would not see, and the Crestliner Crusader models were very well received. I remember liking the Hardtop version a lot, since I had seen a couple of Bertram 25s in Hardtop configuration and was hooked on those.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...3d405457f7.jpg

madbouyz 05-11-2019 06:28 AM

lars , that one is virtually identical to pop's old one . Color and hardtop ! No swim platform though. I did some heavy negotiations with the prez of the company to have the 2x165 Mercs switched out for 170 Volvos , something that was not on the option list and was a first for them. Would have been a bit faster with the Mercs though. They were beautiful hulls . Nary a sharp line on them anywhere .

larslindroth 05-11-2019 03:59 PM

So here's a typical Crestliner survivor in Sweden, even though she's probably had a tough life, she floats with pride. 1977 Crusader 2455.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...fe058c4da1.jpg

Now here's a read Steve, in the 1973 June issue of Motor Boating & Sailing Magazine, that I stumbled upon while reading a little more about Crestliner boats. It starts with an ad, on page 61, introducing the new line of Crestliner boats and then, from page 62 all the way through page 75, there's an article so great that I would label it epic, "How to fall in love with a boat". If Gary put in a good day's work on the deck and pool, I bet the government would not be against getting tucked in tonight with a poem or two from this article and then go to sleep dreaming of the adventures awaiting in the Checkmate this summer. ;)
Article link: https://books.google.com/books?id=qX...epage&q&f=true

floatingphil 05-11-2019 04:19 PM

There was a CM9 for sale here recently. Mid engine configuration with alpha outdrive.

madbouyz 05-13-2019 01:49 PM

OK lars , in keeping with the title of this thread here's one for you .
Waay back once upon a time I had the literature from Cary Marine , I think it was probably late 60's . They didn't make many models back then and what they did do I believe were their versions of designs given to them by DA due to his close relationship with Elton . At that point in time Elton Cary was virtually the go to fiberglass man for Don and he built fantastic boats. One of his better known models was based on the Donzi 28 which he did an amazing job of turning it into a dual console open fisher type with twin straight inboards.
The mystery model was a 27 or 28 footer that I had the leaflet on. From what I remember it was Elton's version of the Mag 27 sport but here's the fascinating part. It was powered by 2 427's that were hooked up in tandem to a single inboard prop . With the weight distribution being different from the twin I/O powered Mag 27 it appeared that he was able to cut the freeboard down and the boat had a really low and more level profile , but it certainly resembled a Mag 27 sport.
I've never , ever seen or heard about one in real life though . Anywhere . Do you know anything about the boat I'm referring to ? I'd love to see an actual photo of one if any were made.
If anyone thinks the Mag 27 sport is an icon (and it is) this Cary was even more off the charts !

larslindroth 05-15-2019 10:15 PM

Cary 26?
 
The boat you must be referring to is the Cigarette 28 derived Cary 26. It was basically a Cig 28 cut-down, but I'm sure you know this model. Brownie had the demo with a 482 in it, but most came with a Daytona 427. They were v-drive boats and no were made with a tandem set-up to my knowledge. Built 1969/71. Somebody mentioned once that they had seen specs in a brochure with a tandem option, but so far no proof. Elton Cary's son James used to run a great historical site about Cary Marine, but there was nothing on there about such a boat either. Can't wait 'till You figure out which model it is.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...fd766f3524.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...1e8af45edd.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...e34953c0da.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...b82a2966a1.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...9379705b8e.jpg

madbouyz 05-16-2019 07:12 AM

Yep , I was sure that if anyone had anything on this boat it would have been you .
The 2nd last picture is what I recall having way back , and the spec sheet above looks familiar as well. The other color photos I've not seen before though.
I'm sure I recall the 2x427 in tandem option and at least you say that someone else might have heard of it as well , but how on earth would they have configured the boat if it was possible ? Maybe a bench seat deck ?
It sure was a pretty boat though . Thanks again . .

larslindroth 05-17-2019 12:15 AM

Two Cary 26 boats of maybe 5-6 made.
 
Since Allan Brown was the father of the truly successful tandem engine set-up, with some help of Andy Casale, in the Donzi 28 'Donzi Baby' he ran to victory in the 1967 Miami-Nassau race, he would have mentioned a possible tandem set-up in the Cary 26 a few years later. Instead, he had the rare potent 482 in his demo Cary 26. I guess only a handful Cary 26 were made, and the two I recall reading about is the oddball white one that was claimed to have been built in 1981 in Italy and made its way back to the U.S. Hardly a true story, but most likely an original Cary boat with a title forgery at one point. See the first small photo and two ads for it. The second boat is the blue metal-flake boat that was claimed to have been originally sold to a cousin of Don Aronow, Morris Rogak of Morton Grove, IL. The 3rd owner got the boat in the late '80s and was going to restore it, but was young and short of money and still had it as late as 2011 unrestored in pretty sad condition. Not sure if he finally finished a resto or sold the boat. His photos below, courtesy of postings on the Serious offshore site. The cool rumble seat in the bow and teak clad reverse transom gave them a uniquely elegant look.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...4aa12669cd.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...26d7aefae8.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...12026f3536.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...20ce074797.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...d5079fe7a2.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...08f5a4c732.jpg

Twin O/B Sonic 05-17-2019 07:23 AM

Way cool stuff!
(Like button on fritz again)

Love the history and have fun imagining being young and involved back in the day when the mad scientists were at full chat.

This thread is motivating me to dig out my boxes of old magazines and start a thread w/some of the history.

I lost some of the collection due to a flooded basement and threw much of it out if it had no interest to me.

Interestingly, I thumbed threw a couple issues during our move a yr and half ago.

Two things jumped out.

An editorial written by Don A bashing the then, current state of affairs of offshore racing.
Basically calling them sissies for racing on rivers and protected harbors.
I had to double check the date on cover to confirm it wasnt written today!

Second was an advertisement for a BMW outdrive.
Whos heard of that, let alone seen one?

Part of my collection came from my dad and included Rudder, and Boating issues dating back to I think, ‘63.
None performance oriented but for occasional stories and adds.

He always saved the “boat show” issues which listed basic info on most models built.
Weight, power options etc.

One fun fact was finding the boat show issue listing my ‘1969 28’ Marinette which was my first cruiser.
I bought it in original, excellent condition and paid more for it than what it sold for new.
I redid/updated the interior and sold it for twice what it sold for new.


madbouyz 05-17-2019 07:58 AM

Lars , thanks for more great photos ! So , that metal flake blue one is a Cary despite the Cig sticker ? And I figured that Brownie's name wold pop up somewhere seeing that his own Nova race boat had two engines in tandem .

2 O/b Sonic .. Yeah , I had tons of stuff from way back that unfortunately got tossed when I moved out of home. Had I kept it it only would be a mass of rotten , moldy paper by now . Actually someone out here a long time ago bought in one of those odd little English boats about 22' long with a pilot house like a tug boat dropped into it . It had a 4 cylinder diesel with the original BMW out drive . I'm pretty sure that the power train lasted for about 40 years before it was re-powered. I seem to recall that it resembled a Volvo 290 unit but even clunkier looking .

floatingphil 06-05-2019 01:32 PM

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...0bc1606dca.jpg

1975 ish Crestliner Crusader 775
May have found it's final resting place.

larslindroth 04-17-2020 07:30 PM

Another of the original Cary 26 found?
 
Today I found something new out. Swedish Californian Per Stridsberg ran one of the rare Cary 26 at the Fifth Anuual Powerboat Magazine World Offshore Speed Trials in 1975. He had a Chevy 468" hooked up to the custom Casale V-drive. Mechanical issues caused the boat to record a slow speed. I will ask Per what color it was and its history. Noteworthy is its Cigarette logo.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...73328ca42c.jpg


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