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gerrypantera 05-07-2019 10:23 AM

Adding a pad
 
Has anyone added a pad to their v hull or made the chines/ lifting strakes bigger . Im contemplating adding a pad for more lift an speed on a 28 pantera ???
cheers gerry

Wildman_grafix 05-07-2019 10:43 AM

Peter Unwin from England is adding a pad to his Coyote. He is on here once in a while but I can't remember his screen name. Has a 29OL on this side of the pond he put a carbon stabilizing "tail rudder" on it. Does a lot of out of the box ideas, he has also added a lifting wing to the front of the Coyote.

hogie roll 05-07-2019 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by gerrypantera (Post 4685756)
Has anyone added a pad to their v hull or made the chines/ lifting strakes bigger . Im contemplating adding a pad for more lift an speed on a 28 pantera ???
cheers gerry

Probably possible. Would be easier to sell and buy velocity, hustler, fountain, activator, kryptonite, superboat, progression, phantom etc etc

SB 05-07-2019 10:53 AM

I also believe the guy who set out to have the worlds fastest 22 Donzi went to a pad. I believe there are some write ups and videos around here (OSO) ofthem somewhere,

edit in.
Here is his U Tube Page
Björn Carapi
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ5...=dd&shelf_id=0

Twin O/B Sonic 05-07-2019 11:29 AM

I’m adding a pad to my 25’ Checkmate.

open87 05-07-2019 11:55 AM

Thinking about doing a notch , no pad on my 31 since I am going to a SSM V. Thinking 8" up and 8" deep. Would be a pretty forward task for me since I am just about done gutting. My thinking was to build a plug with a 24 degree and that 8" x8" dimension and build part, cut out the hull and bond together with the new stringers.

bulletbob 05-07-2019 03:52 PM

Go for it! Especially if you like your Pantera. I have seen catamaran sponsons modified with a flat running surface.

miller high life 05-11-2019 02:33 AM

there should already be a pad on the mate

Twin O/B Sonic 05-11-2019 06:23 AM

Too much vee to do what I want it to.

Originally Posted by miller high life (Post 4686408)
there should already be a pad on the mate

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...66c9f23fbd.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...42a3b695d7.jpg

hogie roll 05-11-2019 10:03 PM

Check out the pad on a tuff. Perfectly flat aside from a chine down its center. They fly

miller high life 05-11-2019 11:45 PM

If you make your pad completely flat, please let us know your results. I also have a 251, and was always curious to why they didn't make the pad completely flat,like on the Checkmate Eluder I grew up on. Rough water ride is my guess.

Nothing personel 353 05-12-2019 04:30 AM

Superboat on Long Island added steps years ago! I believe engine builder Rich Zul owned boat?

Rick G 05-12-2019 07:12 AM

Open87 I put a notch in my 1985 cigarette flat a number of years ago as I put ssm5 drives on as well . I have a thread in the cigarette forum believe it or not called " how to put notch in a flat deck " give it look it might shead some insight as to how much work it is . But for
me it was worth it .
Cheers Rick G.

Twin O/B Sonic 05-12-2019 12:01 PM

Will do and you are correct.

Flat pad = speed but pounding in rough water.
The width of the pad has a huge effect on this.
I will keep my narrow (5 1/2") to keep the sea keeping abilities while still retaining the flat pad.

Downside is the narrower they are the harder it is to balance/keep the boat on the pad at speed.
Im OK w/that though as I much prefer a boat that rewards driver iunput.

I grew up flying pad bottom, O/B powered vees.
Not much better.

Heres a 17' Hydrostream Vector w/a workbench OMC @ 101.https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...5ac86a3cba.jpg



Originally Posted by miller high life (Post 4686526)
If you make your pad completely flat, please let us know your results. I also have a 251, and was always curious to why they didn't make the pad completely flat,like on the Checkmate Eluder I grew up on. Rough water ride is my guess.


PARASAIL941 05-12-2019 12:33 PM

Will Smith's 29 Phantom started life as a 27/28 Magnum ( basically same bottom as 28 Pantera/Cig , ect.). His pad/strake design provided additional speed without hurting rough water performance, as this became a proven race winner.

peterunwin 05-29-2019 12:03 PM

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...8e7f16b50.jpeg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...af69f3eb6.jpeg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...38f02560f.jpeg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...72dc26c31.jpeg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...e68b33425.jpeg
12 years ago i added a pad to our 37ft Hunton XRS, it is fitted with quite heavy diesel engines and needed more stern lift worked out extremely well. Always looking for more speed and fuel economy i recently decided to add to the width of the pad using Iroko which i pre-finished with epoxy then bonded on to the hull, the new addition has 1/2" of rocker built into the rear over the last 3ft this is giving lots more lift to the point where i am having to make 1" spacers for the drives as i am running out of prop grip.

hogie roll 05-29-2019 12:13 PM


Originally Posted by peterunwin (Post 4688910)




12 years ago i added a pad to our 37ft Hunton XRS, it is fitted with quite heavy diesel engines and needed more stern lift worked out extremely well. Always looking for more speed and fuel economy i recently decided to add to the width of the pad using Iroko which i pre-finished with epoxy then bonded on to the hull, the new addition has 1/2" of rocker built into the rear over the last 3ft this is giving lots more lift to the point where i am having to make 1" spacers for the drives as i am running out of prop grip.

Wow. Is that the water pick up at the back?

peterunwin 05-29-2019 02:11 PM


Originally Posted by hogie roll (Post 4688911)


Wow. Is that the water pick up at the back?

It is, when the boat was new it picked up water from the nose cone of the drives along with lots of weed and i wasn't getting the volume i required for the modified engines so i built my own system. I also converted all the coolers on the engines to single pass and linked the various coolers with 2" bore titanium pipe, the long pieces on top of the engine are jacketed along their entire length with internal baffles between the skins and are used as fuel coolers, so we have fuel at seawater temperature makes quite a difference to power and fuel economy.https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...f5992104f.jpeg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...e478dad97.jpeg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...8169767171.jpg

Wildman_grafix 05-29-2019 02:27 PM

Cool stuff Pete.

And forgive me for saying it was a coyote on the first page :)

endeavor1 05-29-2019 08:47 PM

Wow!!! Peter, you are a hell of a engineer. Very cool stuff

Twin O/B Sonic 05-30-2019 07:35 AM

Gorgeous.

Great job on the pad/results.

Cudos also for thinking to cool the fuel.
Well done.

open87 05-30-2019 09:25 AM

Wow!! That is some seriuos brain power !

Knot 4 Me 05-30-2019 09:32 AM

Welcome back, Peter! I miss reading your build threads on both the Hunton and the Outerlimits!

MyIsland 06-01-2019 06:50 PM

How many miles an hour faster are we saying this will allow a boat to go? I have a formula 311 and wonder how much this would benefit me, yet I don’t really want to compromise the ride too much as it does just go cut through the chop.

Curious of the thoughts.


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