Big Announcement from Merc tomorrow
06-19-2019, 12:13 PM
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06-19-2019, 01:52 PM
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2.6L v. 4.6L
No replacement for displacement...
450R
"40% higher torque than the 400R"
12.5 % higher HP than the 400R
~58% - 88% higher price than the 400R
approximately the same weight as a 400R
I wonder what Merc's plan is...Things aren't looking good for the 400R...
No replacement for displacement...
450R
"40% higher torque than the 400R"
12.5 % higher HP than the 400R
~58% - 88% higher price than the 400R
approximately the same weight as a 400R
I wonder what Merc's plan is...Things aren't looking good for the 400R...
Last edited by Flightplan; 06-19-2019 at 02:24 PM. Reason: corrected the price increase, WTF?
06-19-2019, 02:09 PM
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06-19-2019, 08:54 PM
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That explains the wait time on those 300R motors, then. All the blocks and cowls went to the 450R production line!
06-19-2019, 09:04 PM
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So we’re any 34 MTI’s or 36 DW’s retrofitted ? Is so what we’re some of the performance changes ? Tough to compare when your looking at quads , quints and so on ! Would be more interesting to compare a twin engine application.
06-20-2019, 07:06 AM
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06-20-2019, 08:01 AM
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Not trying to be a smart ass but what is the huge advantage of a 450 vs. 400 in a center console setup? I guess I get it for the catamaran applications. It means more acceleration and top end. That market seems pretty small still. I don’t see a huge benefit for cc. Can someone explain?
06-20-2019, 08:11 AM
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I think it's the torque increase that makes it a big step up. That said, I'm a little confused too. If you've got 2, 3 or 4 x 400's hanging of the back of a centre console, do you really need more torque? Nice to have but at a considerable price difference.
Help me out if I'm missing something....?
RR
Help me out if I'm missing something....?
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06-20-2019, 08:39 AM
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I hear you guys loud and clear when you say 400 vs 450 whats the big deal, BUT I don't think the development of this engine is about propelling 30-34' cats 5mph faster or a 30-40' Center Console to the fishing hole that much faster.
IMO the 450 offering helps support the MANY boat manufacturers out there that have gone WAY bigger & or entered the o/b world.
Case in point, boat builders like HCB, MTI & Nor-Tech's 50ft+ offerings and now the cruiser OEM's like Formula, SeaRay & Ocean Alexander who are either modifying their current models or now offering o/b models.
I just returned from a trip to the Abaco's and was taken back by the # of large 40'+ Sport Fishing boats that actually have full walk around cockpits and are powered by o/b's. Beautiful, versatile boats that spend their entire lives in saltwater now enjoy the ease of maintenance associated w/ o/b's not to mention the overall savings on their maintenance costs.
In summary OEM's and buyers like the simplicity, reliability, saltwater sustainability & power to weight ratio of o/b engines, but boaters aren't going to entertain these larger boats that are $500k+ that top out at 50mph. Every boat out there can't accommodate 6 o/b's across it's beam. I also believe that we'll see more performance cats & vee's in the 36'+ range from OEM's like Donzi, Mystic, Outerlimits now w/ this 450R offering. I say this knowing those boats are going to be limited to just 4 engines across their transoms.
As always just one mans $.02!
IMO the 450 offering helps support the MANY boat manufacturers out there that have gone WAY bigger & or entered the o/b world.
Case in point, boat builders like HCB, MTI & Nor-Tech's 50ft+ offerings and now the cruiser OEM's like Formula, SeaRay & Ocean Alexander who are either modifying their current models or now offering o/b models.
I just returned from a trip to the Abaco's and was taken back by the # of large 40'+ Sport Fishing boats that actually have full walk around cockpits and are powered by o/b's. Beautiful, versatile boats that spend their entire lives in saltwater now enjoy the ease of maintenance associated w/ o/b's not to mention the overall savings on their maintenance costs.
In summary OEM's and buyers like the simplicity, reliability, saltwater sustainability & power to weight ratio of o/b engines, but boaters aren't going to entertain these larger boats that are $500k+ that top out at 50mph. Every boat out there can't accommodate 6 o/b's across it's beam. I also believe that we'll see more performance cats & vee's in the 36'+ range from OEM's like Donzi, Mystic, Outerlimits now w/ this 450R offering. I say this knowing those boats are going to be limited to just 4 engines across their transoms.
As always just one mans $.02!
06-20-2019, 09:05 AM
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More hp and torque is always a big deal. Always has been. What am I missing ?
