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renegade800xp 07-11-2019 08:02 PM

First Boat Opinions
 
Looking for some options and opinions on a first boat.

As a guy that is fresh out of college here are some things about me to help:
  • Would be boating on the Mississippi near Dubuque Ia.
  • Most of the use would be on the weekends.
  • Would like to be able to pull with my current truck can tow up to 6500lbs.
  • Would like to spend less than 40k.
  • Not really sure what my main use for the boat would be, definitely do not need to go 80+ mph, but want to go more than 50.
  • Would to fit 5 people comfortably.
I have looked at 20 - 26 Baja Outlaws, 21 - 26' Baja Islanders, Crownline open bows, Sea Doo, Scarab and Yamaha jet boats as well.

I am partial to the Bajas because my parents had 3 of them and really liked their 33 Outlaw. Also like the old styling and colors.

Anyways enough of my rambling.

1MOSES1 07-11-2019 10:21 PM

Is there a length requirement? Do you plan to spend the night or go for day trips?

renegade800xp 07-12-2019 12:04 AM


Originally Posted by 1MOSES1 (Post 4696264)
Is there a length requirement? Do you plan to spend the night or go for day trips?

Would prefer under 26' as I would think something longer may be overwhelming. Also something shorter than 20' may not meet my requirements.

I would be doing mainly day trips, but not sure if I would only be doing day trips.

Griff 07-12-2019 12:15 AM

25 Outlaw
26-28 Powerquest
26 Sonic
288 Sunsation

liberator221 07-12-2019 04:30 AM

we went with powerquest over baja because it has more cockpit room. more space between back seat and front seats. all in whats important to youl

rak rua 07-12-2019 06:45 AM

First boat and you're still young so if you enjoy it, there'll be many more.....

If you buy a modified setup with big power and lots of work done, it's gonna cost you more on time and maintenance. That's the nature of the beast. All boats cost you money but the hotter ones cost you more. Twin engines are great but once again, more money on maintenance and a touch more on fuel. Don't get burnt buying too much boat first time round.

Buy a single engine, stock power (probably 496 or 496ho) with a good history that's been cared for. Survey hull, particularly for wet transom/stringers. I reckon Baja is hard to beat, straight bottom, easy to drive and pretty good room onboard. A great boat to start with, and they look nice too. Outlaw Vs Islander....... up to you, whichever you prefer layout wise.

My 2 cents worth, happy shopping,

RR

JKetels 07-12-2019 07:36 AM

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...c319f2844e.jpg
I live in North Liberty where you do and have a 288 Sunsation that will be up for sale soon. It will be a bit higher priced than your budget, but let me know if its something you would ever want to take a look at!

jtbooten 07-12-2019 08:06 AM

I agree with the above comment about sticking with stock power. BUT with 2 496 boats I’ve been around, they had a lot of electronic issues and to diagnose, they needed a mercury scan tool that cost several hundred $. Graduated college in 2010 and bought MY first boat, a 21’ Baja Hammer. It was a good first boat but it’s not for big water IMO. Small fresh water lakes it’s perfect. Never boated on the river so I cannot comment there. Since then, I’ve had a 19’ jet boat, 27, 29, and now a 32 Fountain.
A 27’ Fountain may be a good fit for you. On an aluminum trailer, it might be within your trucks towing capacity. I believe the dry weight is 4700 lbs. I’m partial to Fountains but early to mid 90s and up, they all have hydraulic steering and K plans. Not a standard feature on a lot of Bajas. I like the 502 mag the best so far. They are fuel injected so they start a lot easier than carb motors. 27 with a 502 would probably hit high 60s mph. Have decent stock reliable power. If this is a hobby you feel you will continue, don’t start off too small, you will alway want to go bigger. After a couple years the 27 will feel small. There are a lot of other nice boats out there like Nordic, Checkmate, Sunsation, Formula, and etc. but I cannot comment on them.

Sydwayz 07-12-2019 08:37 AM

What exactly is your tow vehicle? I think that may be your limiting factor. Remember, that Towing Capacity number is with NOTHING else in the vehicle, just the driver. Passengers, cargo, coolers, etc. etc. all subtract from your GCWR.

I had a 26' Sonic with a 500EFI on a cheap aluminum trailer for my first boat. It was 7280 lbs. total. My Tahoe was BARELY enough truck with a 7500 lbs. rating.
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iaoutlaw 07-12-2019 08:44 AM

NL resident as well. JKetels sunny would be a great boat has a fresh 500EFI in it but like he said a little above your budget. I know of another guy in town that might be looking to move his 25OL 496 mag (not HO) in the near future.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...e7a946f6d.jpeg


TexomaPowerboater 07-12-2019 09:07 AM

What is your annual boat ownership cost budget?

Ing 07-12-2019 09:14 AM

Many good suggestions and I'll add Velocity and Checkmate. Keep it simple with stock power. Trim tabs and external steering would be a plus. Good luck.

renegade800xp 07-12-2019 09:23 AM


Originally Posted by liberator221 (Post 4696283)
we went with powerquest over baja because it has more cockpit room. more space between back seat and front seats. all in whats important to youl

The idea of more cockpit room sounds nice if I want a cuddy.

renegade800xp 07-12-2019 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by rak rua (Post 4696291)
First boat and you're still young so if you enjoy it, there'll be many more.....

If you buy a modified setup with big power and lots of work done, it's gonna cost you more on time and maintenance. That's the nature of the beast. All boats cost you money but the hotter ones cost you more. Twin engines are great but once again, more money on maintenance and a touch more on fuel. Don't get burnt buying too much boat first time round.

Buy a single engine, stock power (probably 496 or 496ho) with a good history that's been cared for. Survey hull, particularly for wet transom/stringers. I reckon Baja is hard to beat, straight bottom, easy to drive and pretty good room onboard. A great boat to start with, and they look nice too. Outlaw Vs Islander....... up to you, whichever you prefer layout wise.

My 2 cents worth, happy shopping,

RR

I would like to buy an unmodified and never really had my eye on anything modified as it just doesn't make sense right now.

A single is the only thing I need (the reason for staying under 26') and would prefer not to pay for maintenance and fuel for two engines and drives.

I was thinking an islander just because of the added room to bring friends, but prefer the looks of the outlaws.

DBleil89 07-12-2019 11:22 AM

An open bow is going to give you more space and room for friends and coolers. You may want to look into a Cobalt open bow. They hold their value and are well built. Usually they came with the bigger motor as well. It may be a good way to get a boat that is into the 60mph range and not lose to much money if you decide you would prefer a cuddy and performance boat. Also with a being your first boat the open bow is easier to dock and grab lines with the open front.

renegade800xp 07-12-2019 11:31 AM


Originally Posted by JKetels (Post 4696294)
I live in North Liberty where you do and have a 288 Sunsation that will be up for sale soon. It will be a bit higher priced than your budget, but let me know if its something you would ever want to take a look at!

That is a good looking boat, might be interested in a year when I have more income to make it "seem reasonable".

renegade800xp 07-12-2019 11:43 AM


Originally Posted by jtbooten (Post 4696304)
I agree with the above comment about sticking with stock power. BUT with 2 496 boats I’ve been around, they had a lot of electronic issues and to diagnose, they needed a mercury scan tool that cost several hundred $. Graduated college in 2010 and bought MY first boat, a 21’ Baja Hammer. It was a good first boat but it’s not for big water IMO. Small fresh water lakes it’s perfect. Never boated on the river so I cannot comment there. Since then, I’ve had a 19’ jet boat, 27, 29, and now a 32 Fountain.
A 27’ Fountain may be a good fit for you. On an aluminum trailer, it might be within your trucks towing capacity. I believe the dry weight is 4700 lbs. I’m partial to Fountains but early to mid 90s and up, they all have hydraulic steering and K plans. Not a standard feature on a lot of Bajas. I like the 502 mag the best so far. They are fuel injected so they start a lot easier than carb motors. 27 with a 502 would probably hit high 60s mph. Have decent stock reliable power. If this is a hobby you feel you will continue, don’t start off too small, you will alway want to go bigger. After a couple years the 27 will feel small. There are a lot of other nice boats out there like Nordic, Checkmate, Sunsation, Formula, and etc. but I cannot comment on them.

I feel pretty confident in my mechanical skills with 8 years of experience working on snowmobiles. I have good relationship with people who had 496s in the past and know one of the guys who own Hawkeye now.

I would probably stay away from a hammer or a boat with a shallow deadrise because the Mississippi can get pretty rough on the weekends. A fountain 27 sounds pretty nice with trim tabs and hydraulic steering.

renegade800xp 07-12-2019 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by Sydwayz (Post 4696311)
What exactly is your tow vehicle? I think that may be your limiting factor. Remember, that Towing Capacity number is with NOTHING else in the vehicle, just the driver. Passengers, cargo, coolers, etc. etc. all subtract from your GCWR.

I had a 26' Sonic with a 500EFI on a cheap aluminum trailer for my first boat. It was 7280 lbs. total. My Tahoe was BARELY enough truck with a 7500 lbs. rating.

Good point thanks for pointing that out, got a 17' GMC Canyon crew cab short bed. Website says 6000lbs so I was off a bit, would probably check the owner's manual to be sure.

renegade800xp 07-12-2019 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by iaoutlaw (Post 4696313)
NL resident as well. JKetels sunny would be a great boat has a fresh 500EFI in it but like he said a little above your budget. I know of another guy in town that might be looking to move his 25OL 496 mag (not HO) in the near future.

Yes, but thinking more about it it may be out of the question to tow it with my current truck.

I will have to keep my eye out for it, thanks.

renegade800xp 07-12-2019 01:44 PM


Originally Posted by TexomaPowerboater (Post 4696320)
What is your annual boat ownership cost budget?

Great question I am not quite sure, will have to look more into my spread sheet to find some numbers and do some calculations.

renegade800xp 07-12-2019 01:47 PM


Originally Posted by Ing (Post 4696322)
Many good suggestions and I'll add Velocity and Checkmate. Keep it simple with stock power. Trim tabs and external steering would be a plus. Good luck.

Thanks, just some of these boats are harder to find within a reasonable distance.

renegade800xp 07-12-2019 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by DBleil89 (Post 4696341)
An open bow is going to give you more space and room for friends and coolers. You may want to look into a Cobalt open bow. They hold their value and are well built. Usually they came with the bigger motor as well. It may be a good way to get a boat that is into the 60mph range and not lose to much money if you decide you would prefer a cuddy and performance boat. Also with a being your first boat the open bow is easier to dock and grab lines with the open front.

An open bow is starting to seem like a better choice because of the flexibility and I really dont know if I will be doing overnights until I use a boat.

I have seen some cobalts advertised in a few different places, don't know much about them, but seem to command a good resale value.

snapmorgan 07-12-2019 02:10 PM

You are kidding yourself if you think you are going to tow a 26' big block boat with a Canyon. if keeping the truck is a must, you need to be looking at boats in the 21'-23' range with a small block.

renegade800xp 07-12-2019 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by snapmorgan (Post 4696367)
You are kidding yourself if you think you are going to tow a 26' big block boat with a Canyon. if keeping the truck is a must, you need to be looking at boats in the 21'-23' range with a small block.

Sorry, haven't deeply looked into the weights of these +25' boats. I would prefer to not have to change trucks soon. Thanks for the input.

Alwhite00 07-12-2019 03:53 PM

My 242 on the trailer full of fuel weighs just over 6K.

ToMorrow44 07-12-2019 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by snapmorgan (Post 4696367)
You are kidding yourself if you think you are going to tow a 26' big block boat with a Canyon. if keeping the truck is a must, you need to be looking at boats in the 21'-23' range with a small block.

I agree. I was gonna suggest some of the west coast boats 24-26’ (Lavey, Eliminator, Nordic, etc) but you really should have a 1/2 ton to tow those.

ar300johnson 07-12-2019 09:27 PM

Look at a 22’-24 powered by a 300xs Mercury outboard. 70+ mph, great on fuel, low maintenance and light enough to tow with your small truck. Checkmate builds a nice 24 that runs low 70’s with a open bow, high 70’s with a closed bow. Similar boats are made by both east and west coat builders. You should be able to find a good used one in the 30-40k price point. Outboard boats have a lot more room than the stern drives and at your age, you can haul a bigger crew which can be more fun. Good luck. Be careful especially until you have run enough to realize that things can happen fast. Have fun.


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