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F-2 Speedy 09-11-2020 02:20 PM

Tore up water like that will aerate the the props, hard to get on plane and it doesn't help when you have the titanic plowin a 4 foot hole through the water

ICDEDPPL 09-11-2020 02:22 PM

Small opening and waves trying to push me towards the rocks, it doen`t look like much on video but it was butt puckering




smaller swells



Eddienel 09-11-2020 03:33 PM


Originally Posted by F-2 Speedy (Post 4756698)
Tore up water like that will aerate the the props, hard to get on plane and it doesn't help when you have the titanic plowin a 4 foot hole through the water

Good point. I didn’t think about prop wash.

tmmii 09-11-2020 09:16 PM


Originally Posted by ocean (Post 4756641)
That looked very similar to a windy day at Mead, great video! That fountain must be underpowered or having problems or the driver was a scared bear.

My 33AVS will absolutely, without a doubt run at speed in 3-5’ (wave buoy certified). I’ve done it, multiple times. With multiple people witness. I’ve gone out on days when jet skiers were saying don’t go out it’s bad. I’ll record it next windy day. Im not bragging, I’m just saying that a 33AVS will have absolutely no problem with 3-5’ ers - this is fact.

Honestly the waves aren’t the difficult part, the wind pushing against the bow and having to counter steer into the wind Is more difficult than the waves believe it or not. I’ve been out on days that the wind sheer would blow so hard that the counter steering into the wind makes the boat ride sideways but it still goes fine jumping and cutting through the water. I’ve got no ego. I’m not making this up, for internet friends.

I’m sure the guys that don’t believe it will flame away. But this is truth. Here’s the best part, I don’t even know how to Properly work my trim tabs or my engine trim- I just put the boat in the water make sure both engines are all the way “in” and go. I don’t do the on/off throttle thing either I literally just put the boat in the water make sure both engines are “in” and tell everyone to hang on.

next windy day I’ll screen shot all data off sbbn2 Buoy and grab my GoPro 5 and head for temple bar from lake mead marina - cheers!
( https://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_realtime.php?station=sbbn2 )


You owe it to yourself and your passengers to learn how to drive that boat before you go run it hard again.

Baja Rooster 09-11-2020 10:24 PM


Originally Posted by onesickpantera (Post 4756662)
THIS!

I have been in real 5-6 foot swells on Lake Michigan that were spaced a LONG way apart. We ran 40-50 mph flying off each swell with plenty of time to land, adjust and accelerate into the next one. And this was in a tiny boat.

I have also been on Lake Michigan in 2-3 footers that rattled fillings loose when it was a washing machine.

Ive been on the SF bay with a bouy report of 18’ swell @50s with zero wind and it just felt like the ocean would slowly rise and fall and was quite beautiful. I’ve also been in 5’ swell that was sketchy as **** and a meager 2’ wind chop that absolutely miserable.

OP, I have zero experience with these boats on topic but I am a huge fan of them. It seems like once you go above 33’ it’s much less of a hot rod and becomes a family cruiser until you start adding big power. Either way, I’m truly enjoying this thread.

SB 09-11-2020 10:53 PM

Was this 43ZR vid taken on Mead?
Just playin :)


ocean 09-12-2020 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by tmmii (Post 4756730)
You owe it to yourself and your passengers to learn how to drive that boat before you go run it hard again.

I plan on taking some sort of course, sometime, I definitely plan on working my way up to a multi thousand HP cat and with the go and speed associated with each I’d like to learn from someone.

with that said, this boat at 9000lbs+ running weight and just over a lackluster 1000hp. It is pretty stable, it’s never felt out of sorts, it’s planted and works very well.
when it hits a wave weird I just kinda let it do it’s thing and not over correct, I simply tapper off the throttles a bit let it bounce back to level and then back on the throttles... it needs to be said I’ve got years of off-road truck and motorcycle race and pleasure experience, there is a lot of discipline that transfers over from offroad racing to boats. Both machines dance underneath you,.. the terrain is ever changing,..In the desert the waves are called whoops and an over correction could mean the end of a fun day. The nice part about the boat is that it’s so slow, everything is slow motion, best my boat gets with people and gas is mid/upper 70s and that’s not in chop or waves. And when it gets rough my speed comes down to just over half that, I’m just saying this so you don’t think I’m some ego driven mindless maniac missile’n through the water with zero respect for the machine or loved ones in it.

This discussion is so far off the topic at this point, I wish someone could just answer the simple question, is a 43’ boat that much better offshore than a 33’

rak rua 09-12-2020 08:54 AM

Ocean, you're really taking a beating here, I'd forgotten what your question was....🙂

I'd look back at your previous boats (mentioned in another thread) and answer your own question...
You've gone from a 22' boat to a 27' and now a 33 footer. How did the step up feel to you? Apply the same principles from 33 to 38 and 43 and I reckon you'll have your answer.

5 Foot in length is a big difference on a boat with a lot more weight too and although weight kills speed to some degree, it can be your friend when crushing waves. Scarabs were never light boats but were considered good wave crushers.

The 33' is a sports car, the 43' is a limo.

RR

IGetWet 09-12-2020 09:14 AM

How has Darr not been brought up yet?

seafordguy 09-12-2020 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by ocean (Post 4756754)

This discussion is so far off the topic at this point, I wish someone could just answer the simple question, is a 43’ boat that much better offshore than a 33’

Yes. In most cases is going to be heavier, deeper, more capable and better able to span that next wave. We were in some very rough water a few weekends ago in my Tiger (42') right where the Chesapeake Bay empties into the Atlantic ocean, worse than anything posted above. Cruising at 3,000 RPM the boat kept inadvertently leaving the water even with drives and tabs buried. The boat never stuffed or took a wave over the bow whereas in similar (actually not quite as bad) water at the Same place two years ago in my 35 Cafe we took several waves over the bow......

Though I don't see A MASSIVE difference in day to day use the is an undeniable difference. Frankly, how could there not be - look at the size difference
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