Renegade vs Others (Statement/Sunsation/Etc)
 

I've been a fan of the brand for a while and I'm wondering how it compares to some of the other performance cc's. I plan on getting out of my 353 Fastech over the next year or so and I'll probably go cc for the comfort and people carrying capacity.

What should I expect and how would you rank performance cc's at a 35-38' size?

Don't know anything about them . Was looking at one in key west at the dock and it looked nice but they look super narrow. Not sure what the beam is compared to those other brands

Agreed. The Renegade is more similar to a Concept. They're a very narrow beam. The Statement, Spectre, Nor-Tech type is a much nicer boat.

8' beam I believe, really good lines, no nothing about build quality. 8' compared to a 10' center console is a topic I will let others reply to. Mine is a 10' beam so you know where I would lean. At LOTO I want the extra width.

The 33 and 38' Renegade have a 9' beam. Statement and Sunsation have a 10' beam. I'm wondering about quality and performance. Anyone have any experience?

They make them down here in South Florida. I was going to buy one. But i bought a 32' Fountain CC TE instead. You really notice how small a 8' beam feels when you get on a Center console that has 10' beam. Thats why i went with the fountain. BUT, Renegade makes solid boats. But you cannot compare them to statement, sunsation, nor tech, or any other high end CC builders. But switching from a 353, i think it'll be a good first center console. I think it's best to compare renegade to concept. You can also look at a 36' Sonic center console.

I have a 2013 32' Renegade . 300 Verados. 557 hours. Purchased back in 2014. Kept on lift with full lift cover and a full cover on boat. Washed after every use. Good looking boat, real head turner! In 2017, 375 hours, transom started cracking, severly cracking. Renegade in Oct 2017 did fix transom by "upgrading" to current build specs. Cost me $2,000. Unfortunately, cracking seems to be returning, 557 hours now. In 2018 powdercoat started to blister. Now looks like all powder coat needs to be re-done. I have a 1985 Cigarette and the glass work and powdercoat quality looks great. Renegade installed Eddie Marine trim tabs. Cables last two years. Renegade blames industry quality. Says I need to switch to wireless indicators. Eddie Marine says cables were installed with a too severe angle relative to tab. I will say I used same cables on Cig and they have been fine. Rengade builds a good looking fish boat. Probably best suited in fresh water.

This is good feedback and what I was looking for. ^^^ Thx

power coating rarely holds up long term.......looks great new and then the bubbling starts, then flaking and bare metal.

I watched a video of a boat review and the reviewer said most cases the PC is fine but once they drill holes in it for the accessories/wires etc then that breaks the surface and the breakdown starts.

Got bad info

You have not a clue.

This was a thread about outboard CC's. That Sunsation is neither.

No other thoughts on Statement or Sunsation??

This guy is on his 3rd or 4th Sunsation in the last 10 years (2 34's, a 43 I/O and I think he started with a 32 I/O)
https://www.speedonthewater.com/witt...-450r-engines/

This was his last boat and the new owner was thrilled with it:
https://www.speedonthewater.com/bio-...sation-34-ccx/

Call the factory and talk to Joe (one of the owners), you will like the guy and probably buy a Sunsation!

Not sure of your info source. I have been in the hurricane shutter manufacturing business for almost 15 years here in south Fl.. Products we manufacturer are basically all aluminum in construction. Probably 50% are powder coated. We also use almost as much that is wet paint. Our products have surfacer products applied at the mill. Suffice it to say there are numerous options available when it comes to surface prep and applied products. Most of our products are mounted on homes on or around salt water. I can purchase extrusions or rolled products that would exhibit poor adhesion or oxidation in 3 to 4 years, either powder or wet. At the same time, I can and do, purchase products that maintain their good appearance for at least 15 years and beyond. A customer purchasing a $5000 to $10000 device that has to be removed and re manufactured after 3-4 years in service would most certainly put us out of business. Trust me, that is not the norm in the industry. However, drilling or cutting can induce potential oxidation but that is not what is happening here, especially considering the span of the surfaces exhibiting the condition. Bottom line, not all powder coated products are created equally.

I think nortechs are probably the highest quality of those mentioned. And the most expensive, they are fast too.

Statement looks to do everything nortech does, they are a little slower I think. They cost less for sure. they’re getting a really strong following around st Pete and I’ve seen a few at loto. They’ve made some really pretty boats. The maroon and grey 35 really made an impression on me.

Statements and nortechs are wider 10’ beam boats.

Concepts and renegades are narrower. I’m a huge fan of the concept 36. Concepts have really classic cigarette boat lines and only need twins, so I think they’ll do well for resale. They cost less to buy.

Renegades are pretty similar to concept in size and style. I’ve not been on either. In general I think they are cheaper to buy than concepts. I haven’t heard anything negative about their quality.

I don’t know much about sunnys. Looks like they’re in same niche as nortech and statement. Not saying they’re bad but I’d buy a nortech or statement before them. They look a bit too cab forward with where they mounted the console. And the drooping rub rail line going forward doesn’t look great.

I question the resale market for triple and quad engine boats once they get old. Resale for all CCs has been fine so far. But I envision the bigger harder to trailer boats will run into a problem at a certain age.

Thanks - good stuff ^^^. I also question triples or Quads. I love HP as much as the next guy and its why my current boat has whipples, but I wonder about how often you run over 50 mph in these? Looks like there's little wind protection, which must suck for passengers. And passengers are a big reason to go with boats like this to begin with IMO.

Yes it’s quite windy. The area forward of my console is actually the quietest. There’s some wind deflectors molded into the deck. I generally cruise around 30 and sometimes slower with a crew. I’ll go a lot faster by myself or with just another guy. I see guys hot rodding around on their CCs with big crews, but no one is having fun except the captain.

What particularly about Statement?

As was said I wouldnt really compare them to Renegade as it is a 10's beam boat so it isnt really a apples to apples.


Statements are great boats (both the 35 and 38). They ride awesome and dry, I would say Sunsation is prob a touch faster but both are more than fine in speed areas. A 35 with twin 350's will run low 60 on a great day but cruise is mid to upper 40's. A 38 with triples you are cruising in the 50's all day.

Nick is an Amazing guy to deal with as is Craig and they can add a lot for the customer. Only downfall for them IMO is no dive door which these days should be standard on all CC's.

Matt, you can buy a 37pc and a little hotrod and have the best of both worlds....you know Kris would love the PC 😂😂😂😂....sorry buddy, too easy 🍺🍺

You also would spend less money than these CC’s cost.

Don't think that I haven't thought about that!

A couple of off base comments from people who have never owned or even been on a Renegade. First off, go look at Sunsation website and try to figure out what their layup is. You won’t find it because they don’t tell you they still use wood in all aspects of their builds. Pretty paint but top dollar for a boat with wood is not my idea of money well spent. Prior to buying my Renegade I visited Concept, Velocity, Superboat, Sunsation and Active Thunder. I’d agree that Concept and Renegade are very similar in build and styling. Concept has a larger facility and build more boats. Renegade uses NO wood in construction. All composite like coosa board. Manny Oses, the honcho who runs Renegade is fantastic to work with as is his staff. I found my boat one year used and I’ve been treated just like the original owner. How many companies do you know of where you can call the owners cell and talk to him directly? On a couple occasions I needed some minor rigging hardware and renegade sent me replacements with no charge and when I did need something like hatch struts, they express mailed me and only charged me their cost for the part. The boats are as rock solid as any other made with zero creaks or groans. If you have the wallet they will customize any boat to your likings comparable to almost all other manufacturers. Renegade is a very small family run company and as such they don’t have the overhead costs like other big boys but that’s a positive and reflects in the prices. My suggestion before purchasing any boat is go visit the company and see what they have going. In full disclosure both Concept and Sunsation treated me very well while visiting but once I learned Sunsation still uses wood I walked away. Good luck in the search. Performance center consoles with modern Verado outboards is the only way to go. You won’t be disappointed.

I have had a new 2015 33 Renegade, sold at 50 hours, a new 2015 34 Nor-Tech sold at 500 hours and 200 hours on my current 2020 39 Nor-Tech. I’m not much for typing but if you want to talk on the phone, PM for my number.

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I knew Sunny used wood in their boats prior to mothballing their sport boat line and going all CC but I was told their CC’s were no wood construction. Good info to know.

Concept and Renegade are the only non $400K CC's that use all composites in their builds. Did a ton of research a year or so ago when Wendy and I were considering buying one....

I would take twin 450Rs over triple 300-350s every day. Id also take triple 450s over quad 400s. Not necessarily a question you asked, but our experience with adding the extra engine isnt exactly what you may think. With a 28 Skater you pick up 5-10mph. You pick up absolutely blistering acceleration. You also pickup weight, fatigue on the boat, another gearcase to fail, another powerhead to fail, etc. If you're racing these are risks worth taking. It's worth the 5mph. And I know, this is an apples to oranges comparison, but the theory stands. Is that 5-7mph worth it on a center console? If it is, considering keeping your current 90+mph boat.


On that note I think a 36 Concept Step Bottom with twin 450Rs would be a helluva boat.

Interesting info... I have friend considering center consoles and I keep coming back to Renegade in terms of value. Is it true about Sunsation still using wood?

Hard to justify the premium for a 450R. Double the price for a blower.

Its true, the 400 is the best buy. Same logic though. I would take two over three...
Even then, 2 450s would cost less than 3 400s.

Thanks Johnny - Great input!

I had triple 275. Verados on my Fountain. Flat out was mid 60’s (real world). Just playing around one day, I tilted the center motor all the way up to see what it would do on two. Bit slow getting on the plane but not terrible, still ran mid 50’s which I thought was pretty good considering she was pushing the extra weight of the center engine and the other two were not set up to run as twins, wrong height, wrong spacing, wrong props etc.

If I’m in a similar market again one day, I won’t be going for the maximum number of engines but rather higher hp from fewer engines.

RR.

P.S. FWIW, I’ve never seen a Renegade but all the pics floating around, they look great and the 9’ beam is a good compromise between ‘narrow’ beam sports boats and ‘wide’ beam CC’s.

I wouldn't hesitate to throw the Donzi ZF in this mix. The ZF's are a great compromise between the Concepts/Renegades and the NorTechs/Statements. I dont have first hand experience with them but did quite a bit of research before I purchased my Donzi ZF. The narrow beam and weight of the Concepts is what turned me off of them as I wanted a good all around rough water boat for LOTO. Granted I believe the newer renegades have a wider beam, I am just speaking of the older CC's that were in my budget. If I had the money id step up to a Nortech, but the Donzi ZF definitely gives good bang for the buck in my opinion and rides fantastic and is pretty quick. No wood in them either which is a bonus.

They had wood until 08

I would also put older Donzi's on this list, and fountain as well. They make some nice CC's. I got a turn key Fountain 32' CC for sale rn, very reasonably priced if you're interested.

I’m trying to find the best compromise between speed and comfort for passengers. I also need to consider trailering, which makes me hesitate to look at 10’ beam boats. This is one reason I think Renegade is in the sweet spot. I think the Concept is too narrow and also does not look as nicely set up as the Renegade.

Great winter talk. Next step is to sell the Formula...

Call the factory or PM Kyle Sunsation on here. You will get an answer in 2 seconds.

Not sure why the obsession with wood/no wood, how many people are going to own the boat long enough to ever worry about a rotted transom 20+ years from now? How many legendary performance boats were built with wood and run harder than any center console ever would be?

I like Nortech for the best mix of utility. Sunsation has more "bling" and they have great customer service/attention to detail. Concept/Renegade would be the top of the 2nd tier sport boats but if price was a concern, I'd buy a 2-3 year old Nortech before buying a new 2nd tier boat. Take Concept/Renegade out of the S. Florida market and they are less known which regionally could hurt resale.

Concept will make the boat anyway you want it. It's all up to your imagination. The narrow beam doesn't bother me, my previous boat had a 7' beam! You can buy 2 Concepts for what some of the "top tier" boats cost.

I'm looking at a Renegade 33. What motors did you have on yours and what was the top speed? tx, JJ