OT: Gas mileage with Ford Powerstroke??
 

I may go test drive an 02 F-350 dually crew cab w/Pwr Stroke and 6speed manual tomorrow. I really like my V-10 dually but gas mileage is not great. I get 8-10 city and 13-14 highway and this is not towing anything.

Can you guys with PwrStroke duallys post some gas mileage figures? This truck is bit more $$ than the V-10 was so I want to see if the extra gas mileage is worth it.

Thanks for any help!!

Eric

Check- I've got a 2000 SRD CC AUTO 4BY. Average 13-14 to work everyday and 17-19 highway. Keep it under 2K RPM. I read somewhere where it takes 60K miles to offset the $4K upper. Won't go back to gas again:D My 98 Expy w/5.4L couldn't get those numbers.

I get 17-18 highway. '99 350 PSD SRW short bed, x-tra cab

I have a f250 powerstroke and i get about 17-19 highway. I am also going to be gettin a dually as soon as i sell my truck now.

Have heard the same 60,000 mile return however that was when diesel was cheaper than gas, not the case today. Have also heard from the lease companies that you buy diesel for the power not the fuel mileage.

Ive got a cc 4x4 dually and I get 18 if I keep it at 65 or less. If I run 75 to 80 I get about 14 non towing. Around town I get 15 to 16. Towing I get around 12 running 70mph towing around 9000lbs.

Before I had the tranny problems that have yet to be fixed I got about 16-17 average over a tank and I would get about 13 Towing!!!!

Now I get about the same with nothing but only about 9mpg with out a load

I have a 99PSD crew cab lariat with DRW.

Jon

F350 Crew Cab Dually 4X4, 4:10 limited slip front and rear. I get 16-17 on highway at 70mph. I get around 10 towing the AT 37 AVH (12,000-13,000 lbs on trailer) at 65-70 mph. I would get 11 towing the 290 PQ (9500 lbs on trailer) at 65-70mph. Loose about 2 mph if all in town driving.

I am told with a chip I can up to 2 mph on the highway mileage.

Just my opinion, if fuel mileage is what your concerned with I would keep the V-10. The diesel will cost about 4 - 5 thousand more to purchase, oil changes are $79.95 compared to $21.95 for the gas motor, fuel filters are recommended every 10,000 miles and cost $60.00 installed, air filters are also more expensive and are needed more frequently, and heaven forbid if anything major was to go wrong, fuel injectors, glow plugs, injection pump, ect. Parts and labor for diesel repairs are a lot more expensive than gas engines! Any money saved at the fuel pump will be more than offset by initial purchase price, maint. & repairs. Now if you were thinking about buying a diesel for more towing power, thats a different story.

Bo knows

Great info! Thanks a lot!


Does a diesel tow that much better than a V-10 gas? I've never towed with a diesel.


Eric

Bo, you know some things but not all:D Just givin ya a hard time:rolleyes: The fuel filter changes are recommended at 15,000 mile intervals and they cost anywhere from $45-$60 depending on if you can buy them from a Navistar dealer or a Ford dealer. The air cleaners are recomended to be changed only when the indicator says to. It can actually do more damage to change it before the indicator says to. As far as oil changes I do them myself. The filter costs $9-$10 and the oil (14 Quarts) costs $25-$30. And with a PowerStroke, you really should change the oil every 3000 miles.

By the way a PS does not have an injection pump. It has hydro-electric unit injectors (HEUI) manufactured by Caterpillar, at least until the 6.0 comes out. It does, however, have a high pressure oil pump that drives the injectors that is a complete pain in the butt to replace, expensive too.

I pretty much agree with everything else.

Driveability on a daily basis is not as good as gas, but for towing, you cannot beat a diesel:D

Most people claim they prefer diesel towing power over gas, and if you were comparing a V8 diesel to a V8 gas motor I would agree. However, and I'm probably going to get some flack from the diesel fans out there, If I had to chose between a V8 diesel or a V10 gas motor for towing I would pick the V10. Power levels of both are close but I give the edge to the V10 for smoothness, less noise, and I dont really care for the smell of diesel fuel & fumes. I've been working at a Ford dealership for 18 years & have had a lot of experience with both.

Bo

It's not horsepower that that provides the grunt for towing, it's the torque:D

Torque gets you going, horsepower keeps you there ! :D :D I knew this was going to get interesting !! :D :D

I know someone will question this but over the last 2 yrs we have been playing with chips and programs here's what we have : 99' F 350 4x4 lowered 7" rear 2"front bigger turbo, 4" ss exhaust electric clutch fan, air box trans shift kit and a reprogrammed Diablo chip!!! I drive to KR racing in Ohio from Toronto on a regular basis, when I went with no mods. I would fill up (40gals) in Toronto and have to fill up before my return trip. Since the mods. I can now make it back to Toronto with no problem. My avg is 19.5 miles empty and 15 to 16 with a large boat . Hope this helps.

diesel
 

1999 f350 ext cab 4x4 auto trans ts performance flip chip 4" exhaust from down pipe back and 35 to 40 gal tank my trip to florida at high speeds over 85 mph at times and was geting 600 miles to a tank and the chip makes the truck fly and good fuel miles. i would never go back to gas

Re: OT: Gas mileage with Ford Powerstroke??
 

I bet they would be higher using DIESEL MILEAGE!:D :D :D

(Sorry, I had to.)

ok ok DIESEL mileage!

This seems to be a tougher decision than it should be. Keep the V-10 or get the Diesel???

Thanks a lot for all the info!

Eric

It's really not that tough. If your going to be doing a lot of towing, get the diesel. If you are going to do most of your driving around town or tow only occasionally, the gas may be a better choice.

Diesels tow much better than gas. Gas has better driveability and less maintenance.

Well I drove the diesel today and also did a little towing with it. Power wise it tows better than the V-10, like ya'll said. I like it! Handleing is the same as my truck.

Problem is I don't think it's going to save me any money in the long run (or short run). As the payment is $150 more per month than mine. And the maintenance costs more.


Thanks for the help

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Sucks, dosen't it.

post by h2owarrior, forgot to change screen names:rolleyes:

LOL!!!! Yea it sucks!:D

Should have bought a CHEVY. :D
I have a 93 6.5 TD - 4:10 ratio, 4x4 long box ext. cab. I get 17 mpg at 75 MPH no load and 11 1/4 pulling 13000 to 14000 lbs.
Is it worth buying a diesel?? depends on the use. How big the boat is and how much you like getting passed by the guy with the diesel pulling the BAYLINER up the big hill. :D :D :D

I have an '02 Excursion with PS. Upgraded with a Superchips 70 Hp program and it's hard to beleive the difference. I tow a 42' boat that weighs 15-16 thousand pounds and get an avg. of 15.1 mpg towing! (made two 2200 mile trips towing this year) When not towing I'm getting 25 mpg highway, if I keep it under 65. Around town I'm getting 18.

Can't beat the room and people hauling...I can carry 7 people comfortably and have room for everybody's luggage in the back.

Gotta be careful at stop lights...you can smoke some rubber in a hearbeat

My oil changes are $40 at local full service drive-thru.

Look at used and save thousands...

Quote> Problem is I don't think it's going to save me any money in the long run (or short run). As the payment is $150 more per month than mine. And the maintenance costs more.

So buy a used truck. I priced the new ones and could get a new Duramax/Allison for $29k. Found a cherry '97 F250 SuperCab LB 4x4 with 86k miles with PSD and 5 speed manual and 4.10 LS SRW for $18K. Now I get all the diesel features and saved a pile of $$. Absolutely LOVE the diesel and will never go back to gas!!! It's my daily driver too. 15-16 mpg in town. 12.5 towing with stock motor. She will be getting a few upgrades for more power and mileage. Ok, just for more power... it's addictive!

Go to www.thedieselstop.com for the inside scoop on Fords. It's the OSO of Ford Trucks.

Scott

I've had two V-10 powered Ford pickups- a '99 F250 CC 4x4 SWB, and a 2000 F350 dually CC 4x4 SWB. I love the engine's smoothness, and it seemed adequate on towing power, but seemed to shift a lot in the hills. The gas mileage, however, was pathetic. I don't know where some people get there numbers- I think they just like to tell themselves they are getting better mileage than they are to justify owning it. I never saw better than 11.9 with the F250, and the F350 never broke into double digits on mpg.
I now have a 2000 Excursion Limited PSD. I never put a damn thing in the bed of either of those trucks, so this makes more sense. I have seen as high as 21.9 mpg with it, and it hits the scales at 8215 lbs. (heavier than the dually). Towing the AT back from FL, I got 15.5, and I drove 65+ the whole way. I actually drove the trip to our place in Canada (735 miles) without getting fuel, and still had reserve when I got there.
If you tow or travel with your vehicle quite a bit, you will never be sorry about getting one. I agree...... buy slightly used and save big $$$

The 02 F-350 dually im looking at is used. Has 41k miles on it and is in nearly perfect shape.

I wish I could find a crew cab Duramax/Allison for around $30k. I've been looking and havn't seen one less than $36k that's not beat to hell.

Eric

Check-if you're looking for milage. Get a precomputer Dodge. I'm getting 22 empty and 18 towing with a 5spd manual. My engine is also turned up to 300hp and the power is really incredible. A couple other board members also have the older diesel and they're reporting simular numbers with the automatic.

03 F350 FX4 Crew Cab Short Box Lariat PSD, 3.73 rear end, a 4" lift with 35" tires
I have 3200 miles and I already get 17+mpg on the hwy. Around town I get 14.
The oil changes dont cost $80 around $40 is more like it. I do my own however the shop near me does it for $50 and they wash and vac for free with oil change.
I have a couple of friends with the Duramax/alis combo and they have several engine troubles, dies at stoplights and will not start, no power, smokes alot. They dont get very good millage, they have not got better than 14mpg.

I got sick of wearing out gas motors in less than 100,000 miles. At least with the PSD you can get more than a few years of service. I also get my fuel filters at local NAPA store. I think their less than $30. The canister is right on top under the plastic cover. Takes 2 minutes to change.

2000 F350 CC 4X PSD with everything Banks makes on it. Incredible power and 14mpg towing the sled in town and 18 on the freeway.
If you get it I highly recommend Banks products for performance. Jeff

Intolerant1, Watch using anything but a factory approved filter for fuel or oil with the PS. I am not saying these filters will not work, but make sure they actually meet the required specs. The injectors in the PS are very sensitive and need a very high degree of consistency at a very small particle size(I think it's around 2 micron). Same thing with the oil filter.

I have seen to many oil and fuel filter related injector and rotating group problems to take any chances. Not on PS's but on other engines that use the HEUI injection system.

Troutly, Thanks for the link. I will check it out for the next change.

By the way, When you gonna break loose and get that Thunder:D

Plasma TV:D Home Theater:D Oh Yea, that superceedes new boat, at least in the great white north:rolleyes:

buy the power stroke...

i have a 2002 250 SD 4x4 with a superchips programmer.

with the 80 hp program in i get between 21-24 on the highway and 16-17 around town.. lots of power and performance the chip makes all the difference. they tell me the other program (60hp) will get better milage..but who care i want the power i get from the offroad program...

good luck