One of the owners here...his mom had a Lexus hybrid SUV....she was older so they just kept it as it was gonna be her last car anyway at her age.....anyway the thing was about 9-10yrs old and needed the batteries replaced....cost? $8000! Trade in value of the SUV? $4500 So they said screw it and just let her drive it as a gasser. Now i know that not too many people keep cars/trucks that long (I do!) But who is going to replace these batteries when it costs more then the vehicle is worth? And with no proper infrastructure for recycling where do these batteries go? They need to really get the bugs/logistics worked out before trying to force electric on the population! I wonder if Biden made it mandatory for the car makers to recycle the batteries or take them back at end of life how the lobbying would start in DC???

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also I believe there are recycling plans already in place for recycling batteries. The metals inside them are precious metals and every part of the used battery can be recycled.

but when the car batteries are considered no longer useful, there are secondary markets that would buy them, for home use and electric boat use and other vehicles needing less continuous electric power






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Electric Automotive Rivian Motors

current stock price .. $41.58 per share


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When Elon Musk says we should be drilling for oil here in the US, kind of gives you the idea he knows this country, much less the world isn’t ready to support EVs on a large scale and won’t be for a long time. 🤔🤔🤔

Many people have been waiting a year for their new Ford truck. Other manufacturers have similar stories.

They can't even make batteries for Cordless drills that last more than a year w heavy use.
I will keep Burning my 91 for a Long time. :violent040:

That is so funny cause my Lithium battery just died in my cordless drill....its about 3yrs old and it gets used more then a typical homeowner would use but nowhere near what a pro would use it at...but atleast i can go buy one on Amazon and swap it out...not have to go to a dealer to do it and pay 10x as much!

the power grid cant handle it. the people with electric cars do not pay the road taxes that are built into fuel cost. we just are not ready for everyone or even 20% of the population to have EV as a daily driver.

Don't worry the politicians wot waste an opportunity to get money out of people......they will probably make a yearly inspection like some places do emissions and get the mileage driven and charge them by how much they drive.....just watch...

i had a diesel eletric tug it takes a lot of power to make it work just like a locomotive and its a lot of maintenance to keep it working, to turn a propeller takes a lot of constant power the wires are massive when things go wrong you have a big fire fast...... lithium batteries on the water are seriously unsafe how many on here dunked their RC boat? then quickly retrived only it to hear it sizzling then burst into fire? for a good lesson take a flat rc battery and cut it with a knife you will learn the quirks of lithium!

you think the 12v system on a boat w/ corrosion drives you nuts,,watch what happens when corrosion on a 300-800v battery connection,fireworks.and yes,for a couple of years they'll be fine,and then boom.see what tesla had to do to connectors for ludicrous and plaid battery upgrades.connectors and lug thickness and surface area.
and I have a extended range ev,the battery gets sucked down quick at 120mph

Have read several times near 60% of our electricity comes from fossil fuels.


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We can decrease our reliance on coal if we used renewable energy and move away from fossil fuels
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The other 2 months I use natural gas for heating and electric portable heaters to supplement the gas heaters
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As far as batteries catching fire, there are newer battery technologies that does not catch fire when the layers inside the batteries are shorted ( as in the case of an automobile crash)

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In NJ when my 36 solar panels generate a certain amount of electricity per month, i receive 1 SREC credit

Then that SREC credit gets sold in the market and i receive $240,

I generate these SREC every month since 2008






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I get what you are saying but its not feasible for most people and way to costly. Also until they build more nuclear reactors then there will not be enough energy to power a electric grid as well. At a cost of 30k for solar panels, there is no way that most home owners could afford that. If I supplemented my natural gas with electric portable heaters my electric cost would double my heating bill easily, maybe triple it. All this green energy is ok in theory, but not going to work for many years. I'll stay with my friends of coal. As for boats I'm pretty sure that electric motor doesn't sound near as good as my 525's and I don't have to sit forever while fueling versus charging some battery pack. All this nonsense about green energy will stop once these fools are gone out of office.

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I believe in Nuclear power. There are new nuclear power plants that does not have the issues with cores overheating.

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and yet,,its been like 5yrs since that announcement was made.I love all the click bait articles about new battery tech that never makes it to market.

why cant they put a generator or something like that to charge from the spinning of a axel?

It’s almost the same as regenerative braking on EV cars. It can be done, but it’s only a small supplement at best.

Boats or anything that requires constant output are not and will not be candidates for a practical EV application. Power consumption is just too great even with the new/current high efficiency motors available. Think Tesla Plaid - four quarter mile runs and the car is just about dead. This car is state of the art and cannot operate in full-output mode for more than a couple minutes. The same battery footprint would be applicable to a boat and with the torque load of a propeller, you’re looking at very high consumption. I looked at a project where a Bayliner owner removed his Merc 3.0 and converted to Tesla power. Range? 25 miles cruising 25-35 mph. When it’s dead, you’re looking at 4 hours to charge on 240 volts or 12 hours to charge on 120. That’s just not feasible for any boat owners that I know.

I mentioned this in another thread here on OSO. We’re at the 75 to 100 year mark for meeting full EV capabilities. The grid will more than likely consist of varying nuclear and fossil fuel generated power with supplements from solar and wind power.

One of my close friends is a huge advocate of electric powered vehicles and loves Tesla. He’s a boater too and agrees that fossil fuels are going to be around for a long time, probably indefinitely.

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We were making a statement on Saint Patrick’s Day!!

Did you know that not everyone can put up solar if they want to? I'm in NJ and started to research adding solar panels. I found out that the utility companies will only allow so many homes in an area to have solar. My neighborhood is at it's quota so I can't add them.

The concept of electric cars and what they're doing with battery operated cars, toys and such is cool and amazing tech. But saying it's "green" or saving the earth somehow is total bullsh!t. Interesting read on the subject. What is a battery?' I think Tesla said it best when they called it an Energy Storage System. That's important.



They do not make electricity – they store electricity produced elsewhere, primarily by coal, uranium, natural gas-powered plants, diesel-fueled generators or minerals. So, to say an Electric Vehicle (EV) is a zero-emission vehicle is not at all valid.



Also, since forty percent of the electricity generated in the U.S. is from coal-fired plants, it follows that forty percent of the EVs on the road are coal-powered, do you see? If not, read on.



Einstein's formula, E=MC2, tells us it takes the same amount of energy to move a five-thousand-pound gasoline-driven automobile a mile as it does an electric one. The only question again is what produces the power? To reiterate, it does not come from the battery; the battery is only the storage device, like a gas tank in a car.



There are two orders of batteries, rechargeable, and single-use. The most common single-use batteries are A, AA, AAA, C, D. 9V, and lantern types. Those dry-cell species use zinc, manganese, lithium, silver oxide, or zinc and carbon to store electricity chemically. Please note they all contain toxic, heavy metals.



Rechargeable batteries only differ in their internal materials, usually lithium-ion, nickel-metal oxide, and nickel-cadmium. The United States uses three billion of these two battery types a year, and most are not recycled; they end up in landfills. California is the only state which requires all batteries be recycled. If you throw your small, used batteries in the trash, here is what happens to them.



All batteries are self-discharging. That means even when not in use, they leak tiny amounts of energy. You have likely ruined a flashlight or two from an old, ruptured battery. When a battery runs down and can no longer power a toy or light, you think of it as dead; well, it is not. It continues to leak small amounts of electricity. As the chemicals inside it run out, pressure builds inside the battery's metal casing, and eventually, it cracks. The metals left inside then ooze out. The ooze in your ruined flashlight is toxic, and so is the ooze that will inevitably leak from every battery in a landfill. All batteries eventually rupture; it just takes rechargeable batteries longer to end up in the landfill.



In addition to dry cell batteries, there are also wet cell ones used in automobiles, boats, and motorcycles. The good thing about those is, ninety percent of them are recycled. Unfortunately, we do not yet know how to recycle single-use ones properly.



But that is not half of it. For those of you excited about electric cars and a green revolution, I want you to take a closer look at batteries and also windmills and solar panels. These three technologies share what we call environmentally destructive embedded costs.



Everything manufactured has two costs associated with it, embedded costs and operating costs. I will explain embedded costs using a can of baked beans as my subject.



In this scenario, baked beans are on sale, so you jump in your car and head for the grocery store. Sure enough, there they are on the shelf for $1.75 a can. As you head to the checkout, you begin to think about the embedded costs in the can of beans.



The first cost is the diesel fuel the farmer used to plow the field, till the ground, harvest the beans, and transport them to the food processor. Not only is his diesel fuel an embedded cost, so are the costs to build the tractors, combines, and trucks. In addition, the farmer might use a nitrogen fertilizer made from natural gas.



Next is the energy costs of cooking the beans, heating the building, transporting the workers, and paying for the vast amounts of electricity used to run the plant. The steel can holding the beans is also an embedded cost. Making the steel can requires mining taconite, shipping it by boat, extracting the iron, placing it in a coal-fired blast furnace, and adding carbon. Then it's back on another truck to take the beans to the grocery store. Finally, add in the cost of the gasoline for your car.



A typical EV battery weighs one thousand pounds, about the size of a travel trunk. It contains twenty-five pounds of lithium, sixty pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. Inside are over 6,000 individual lithium-ion cells.



It should concern you that all those toxic components come from mining. For instance, to manufacture each EV auto battery, you must process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 25,000 pounds of ore for copper. All told, you dig up 500,000 pounds of the earth's crust for just one battery."



Sixty-eight percent of the world's cobalt, a significant part of a battery, comes from the Congo. Their mines have no pollution controls, and they employ children who die from handling this toxic material. Should we factor in these diseased kids as part of the cost of driving an electric car?" And the Chinese just bought most of these mines!



I'd like to leave you with these thoughts. California is building the largest battery in the world near San Francisco, and they intend to power it from solar panels and windmills. They claim this is the ultimate in being 'green,' but it is not! This construction project is creating an environmental disaster. Let me tell you why.



The main problem with solar arrays is the chemicals needed to process silicate into the silicon used in the panels. To make pure enough silicon requires processing it with hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, nitric acid, hydrogen fluoride, trichloroethane, and acetone. In addition, they also need gallium, arsenide, copper-indium-gallium- diselenide, and cadmium-telluride, which also are highly toxic. Silicone dust is a hazard to the workers, and the panels cannot be recycled.



Windmills are the ultimate in embedded costs and environmental destruction. Each weighs 1688 tons (the equivalent of 23 houses) and contains 1300 tons of concrete, 295 tons of steel, 48 tons of iron, 24 tons of fiberglass, and the hard to extract rare earths neodymium, praseodymium, and dysprosium. Each blade weighs 81,000 pounds and will last 15 to 20 years, at which time it must be replaced. We cannot recycle used blades. Sadly, both solar arrays and windmills kill birds, bats, sea life, and migratory insects.



There may be a place for these technologies, but you must look beyond the myth of zero emissions. I predict EVs and windmills will be abandoned once the embedded environmental costs of making and replacing them become apparent. "Going Green" may sound like the Utopian ideal and are easily espoused, catchy buzzwords, but when you look at the hidden and embedded costs realistically with an open mind, you can see that Going Green is more destructive to the Earth's environment than meets the eye, for sure.

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Your data is old, I can correct all of them, but why bother ..

this thread is about electric boats

not meant to replace our gas engine boats, but merely to show a new form of energy on boats .. an option if you will


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this thread is about electric boats

not meant to replace our gas engine boats, but merely to show a new form of energy on boats .. an option if you will

Not an option here for pretty much all of us. 10 mph in a 15ft boat or tops of 29 mph for like 3-4 hrs and then wait for hours to charge. That's not happening for anyone I know. Just like the old saying goes... There's no replacement for displacement...

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okay,so 1 bad mining is out,,but they're still mining and using cobolt right now,,so your wrong.

and why bother,,because if you don't,,we'll just think your full of schit.

well the fox body can drive back home after a day of racing,,tesla will be on a ramp truck.,,just saying

Cigarette racing all-electric 2023 e-jet pwc
 

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CIGARETTE RACING ALL-ELECTRIC 2023 E-JET PWC

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CIGARETTE RACING TEASES $40K ALL-ELECTRIC 2023 E-JET PWC

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Insane lithium price rally continues with “little relief in sight”

Sutphen,

Also of note...

Notice the title of the video. That's a GUTTED Tesla. With that said, it's probably also assumable that it's about as far from stock as the foxbody is. Besides... I can take you to a couple of good ol' boys in London, KY that will SMOKE that Tesla, with all its gutting and mods, and they probably won't even put their helmets on to do it.

Teslas are great cars. Don't get me wrong, but they are NOT going to revolutionize the performance car market, let alone the boat market. They lack a very large part of what draws a great many of us to the arena.

Also of note... In my world of high performance model boats, the electrics have surpasses un nitro and gas guys and are never looking back. But, if the electrics ever run us fuel guys completely out of the sport, I will not be joining the electric crowd. I have no interest in "competing" in a sport that's entirely plug-n-play, where the thickness of your credit card determines the podium with absolution..

Thanks. Brad.
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I've seen that tesla before and knew it was gutted to make it as light as possible.its good tesla has alot of extra cells in there batteries.in the long haul if you keep stressing the batty,its gonna die quicker than taking it easy on them.remember,motors have all its torque at 0 rpms,so off the line they can move out.
now,I have the 2016 cadi elr,it has the perf. package,I beat on the car fairly regularly.I have an app. that I can look at the voltage of each cell in the battery.6yrs and 65k miles,I have 2 cells which happen to be beside each other,getting weak,,not real bad,but you can see they are lower and come back up to the other cell on regen.but take off hard and those 2 cells discharge just a little quicker than the others.glad I have a 10yr/150k mile battery warranty.:Dwe'll see how long it lasts."D

that’s cool. Still mined minerals coming from the same places with the same issues. My point was electric vehicles aren’t the great green savior everyone’s selling them to be.