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Helmwurst 12-07-2022 06:59 AM

Engine rebuild costs are super stupid these days. Thank god it is not a marine engine in there !

ThisIsLivin 12-07-2022 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by 36Tango (Post 4853017)
I drive an '05 Excursion most of the time. I pull my skidsteer, mini ex, and dump trailer quite a bit. I also have a Boss V plow and move quite a bit of snow on our properties every winter. I cannot even tell that my 28 Skater is following me, so that is not much of an issue.

Today I found out the needle bearings were found in the low pressure oil pump and the 6.0 "bulletproofed" Powerstroke engine may be junk. A zero mile rebuilt is about $9,000 installed. The truck is about worthless without it. I look at it as 18 months with a $500 payment. Past 18 months, I am back in the good. Truck and body is in great shape with about 225k miles on it.

After owning it for 60,000 miles over the past 4 years I can certainly say that it is way more expensive to maintain. Hell, even an oil change is expensive! Not loaded I will get about 18 mpg, BUT, with diesel being a third more in cost than gas, that would be equal to 12 mpg in a gasser.

I like my Excursion allot, so I am going to do it, but damn it hurts!

I went through the same thing. My 2015 Yukon Denali had a lifter failure so I did the whole AFM delete. I had SmittysEngTrans do the work, best decision ever. They did an amazing job rebuilt the entire valvetrain and took care of a lot other details. Best part is I get better gas mileage since the AFM delete. I got 26.9mpg best segment so far and was averaging over 23MPG at 75mph on the Ohio turnpike. I still have more tuning to do but I'm pretty confident I can do better. Not bad for a V8 making 450HP and almost 500ftlbs. It's amazing what a few upgrades and tuning can do. I especially love the fact that with 33's it still gets rubber in second. Like you said, I had it done for less than 5 payments so I am way ahead.

Plowtownmissile 12-07-2022 07:14 PM


Originally Posted by 540Fever (Post 4853013)
Wanted to let y’all know this post wasn’t in vain.

Installed some RC airbags over the weekend and had the chance to test them out yesterday. At 60psi the bed is completely level and really pulls like a different truck when towing.

I’d recommend them to anyone towing with a half ton, regardless of boat size/weight.

FYI - the Rough Country instructions are a throw away. My wife walked into the garage about 4 hours in and said “so that’s how it’s going” 😂

Damn U Bolts were cross threaded out of the gate, fittings leaked, bolts that were too short. A typical 1-2 hour job lol

if the airbags fail, give Timbrens a try. I've been running them for years and love them. They make a night and day difference especially when paired up with Bilsteins.

92nsx 12-08-2022 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by 540Fever (Post 4851922)
For those with 25-30 footers towing with half tons… I have a 6.2 1500 that pulls my 27’ Fountain. It does pretty good from a suspension perspective, but when I get into areas with rolling hills, the motor is working!

I’ve looked into diesels, but I just don’t want any to pay the premium. I like my half ton and if it had a little more juice, it would tow just fine.

Seems heat is the issue with most gas/turbo tow setups. Has anyone done a low comp setup with a small turbo for a tow application?

GM truck, 2500 HD with the 8.1( they come with the a1000 allison tranny. 01-04 or 05 has 5 speed. 2006 maybe 05 has 6 speed). Mine is a 2001 and only use it to tow with. I run the dog **** out of mine in the summer and have no over heating issues. 95 degrees, high humidity and AC cranked. Pulling a 380 Avenger on a tipple axle steel trailer. I'd est 14.5k - 15k Lbs full of fuel.

Runnin 75-80 mph she is in the 5.5 MPG range. Stay about 65 and picks up to about 6.5 mpg. Some days a touch over 7.

Dose it drink the gasoline? Yes it dose. How ever it is a fraction of the cost on maintenance,repairs and purchase price vs a diesel and will still pull a house down. Literally you can probably fix the entire truck in the parking lot of a parts store with a hammer LOL. Injector chits it's pants on a Damx. You are looking at what, a $4-5k repair bill? Maybe look for a 8.1 (2001-2006) and use it to tow only. Keep your 1500 for daily driver .

ICDEDPPL 12-08-2022 11:36 AM


Originally Posted by 36Tango (Post 4853017)
I drive an '05 Excursion most of the time. I pull my skidsteer, mini ex, and dump trailer quite a bit. I also have a Boss V plow and move quite a bit of snow on our properties every winter. I cannot even tell that my 28 Skater is following me, so that is not much of an issue.

Today I found out the needle bearings were found in the low pressure oil pump and the 6.0 "bulletproofed" Powerstroke engine may be junk. A zero mile rebuilt is about $9,000 installed. The truck is about worthless without it. I look at it as 18 months with a $500 payment. Past 18 months, I am back in the good. Truck and body is in great shape with about 225k miles on it.

After owning it for 60,000 miles over the past 4 years I can certainly say that it is way more expensive to maintain. Hell, even an oil change is expensive! Not loaded I will get about 18 mpg, BUT, with diesel being a third more in cost than gas, that would be equal to 12 mpg in a gasser.

I like my Excursion allot, so I am going to do it, but damn it hurts!

I found the Excursion to be the worst tow vehicle Ive ever had , after an hour towing I felt exhausted. Short wheelbase and the loose steering , it was a lot of work to keep in a lane. The 7.3l was a good engine and I loved the rest of the truck but what a difference once I got a longer wheel base vehicle.
Hopefully yours is better, the Baja was 12k #

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...b15d05539d.jpg










ThisIsLivin 12-08-2022 03:11 PM


Originally Posted by Plowtownmissile (Post 4853089)
if the airbags fail, give Timbrens a try. I've been running them for years and love them. They make a night and day difference especially when paired up with Bilsteins.

My magnetic struts went and I replaced the whole system with the Arnott/Bilstein setup, what a difference. Auto leveling works perfect and ride is so much smoother and it has built in resistors to fool the computer. Best part is lifetime warranty. You get the best of both worlds.

540Fever 12-08-2022 03:16 PM


Originally Posted by Plowtownmissile (Post 4853089)
if the airbags fail, give Timbrens a try. I've been running them for years and love them. They make a night and day difference especially when paired up with Bilsteins.

I was just talking with a customer of mine yesteray and he said the same thing about the Timbrens! I have a feeling the longevity on the airbags is limited, but maybe i'll be proven wrong.

Thanks

36Tango 12-08-2022 03:25 PM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4853124)
I found the Excursion to be the worst tow vehicle Ive ever had , after an hour towing I felt exhausted. Short wheelbase and the loose steering , it was a lot of work to keep in a lane. The 7.3l was a good engine and I loved the rest of the truck but what a difference once I got a longer wheel base vehicle.
Hopefully yours is better, the Baja was 12k #

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...b15d05539d.jpg


Airbags made a huge difference in towing.

open87 12-08-2022 06:24 PM


Originally Posted by 36Tango (Post 4853017)
I drive an '05 Excursion most of the time. I pull my skidsteer, mini ex, and dump trailer quite a bit. I also have a Boss V plow and move quite a bit of snow on our properties every winter. I cannot even tell that my 28 Skater is following me, so that is not much of an issue.

Today I found out the needle bearings were found in the low pressure oil pump and the 6.0 "bulletproofed" Powerstroke engine may be junk. A zero mile rebuilt is about $9,000 installed. The truck is about worthless without it. I look at it as 18 months with a $500 payment. Past 18 months, I am back in the good. Truck and body is in great shape with about 225k miles on it.

After owning it for 60,000 miles over the past 4 years I can certainly say that it is way more expensive to maintain. Hell, even an oil change is expensive! Not loaded I will get about 18 mpg, BUT, with diesel being a third more in cost than gas, that would be equal to 12 mpg in a gasser.

I like my Excursion allot, so I am going to do it, but damn it hurts!




I would checkout Kill Devil Diesel .

https://killdevildiesel.com/collecti...ngine-packages


I have my 7.3l there in line to be re built. They do a lot of 6.0 and may have 6.0 long blocks in stock if the 6.0 ARP rod bolt backorder has been resolved .

liberator221 12-08-2022 08:08 PM


Originally Posted by 540Fever (Post 4853147)
I was just talking with a customer of mine yesteray and he said the same thing about the Timbrens! I have a feeling the longevity on the airbags is limited, but maybe i'll be proven wrong.

Thanks

I’ve had air bags on my 150 over 10yrs. No problems.


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