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hogie roll 12-07-2022 03:20 PM

42 PR, GTX, Gladiator weight?
 
Has anyone weighed any of these boats or have a very good idea? I’ll have a 9k lb lift open.

Wildman_grafix 12-07-2022 03:33 PM

Don't know on the GTX or Glad but the fountain is plain old fiberglass. Counter to popular belief fountains are not light, I have had friends put 35 EX's on a scale and they are right around 9K. I know the PR is a different animal but no way would I think a 9K lift would work. Most of the companies recommend a 25% margin.

Unlimited jd 12-07-2022 04:25 PM

Which model gtx? 37,39,42,44,45 or 47? Vinylester or epoxy?
A 39 gtx is a bigger boat than a 42 poker run.

hogie roll 12-07-2022 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by Unlimited jd (Post 4853070)
Which model gtx? 37,39,42,44,45 or 47? Vinylester or epoxy?
A 39 gtx is a bigger boat than a 42 poker run.

Any that you know of 37-42

hogie roll 12-07-2022 04:43 PM


Originally Posted by Wildman_grafix (Post 4853067)
Don't know on the GTX or Glad but the fountain is plain old fiberglass. Counter to popular belief fountains are not light, I have had friends put 35 EX's on a scale and they are right around 9K. I know the PR is a different animal but no way would I think a 9K lift would work. Most of the companies recommend a 25% margin.

I knew fountains generally weren’t super light, but the 42 doesn’t have a cabin at least.

hogie roll 12-07-2022 04:48 PM

Currently on the lift is a 35cc based on the 36 cig wide body. All glass or foam cored, head, twin 4s OBs.

I figured there must be a twin engine sit down no bull**** hot rod out there that weighs less.

79 steven 12-07-2022 05:45 PM

40/39skater built fountain #6 boat race boat converted 5 seat sit down epoxy Kevlar all rigged fuel 8200#

hogie roll 12-07-2022 05:48 PM


Originally Posted by 79 steven (Post 4853083)
40/39skater built fountain #6 boat race boat converted 5 seat sit down epoxy Kevlar all rigged fuel 8200#

Would love to have one of these. Any pics?

F-2 Speedy 12-07-2022 06:34 PM

Id bet the Glad is around 10k with a bit of fuel and gear...........anyway to upgrade the lift to 12k

Keith Atlanta 12-07-2022 08:23 PM


Originally Posted by F-2 Speedy (Post 4853087)
..........anyway to upgrade the lift to 12k

Yeah, usually a quick cable change takes it to up over 12K+

Wildman_grafix 12-07-2022 08:27 PM


Originally Posted by Keith Atlanta (Post 4853090)
Yeah, usually a quick cable change takes it to up over 12K+

On my lift the 10K cables are the same as the 12.5K Motor and gear boxes are different.

Still not a huge deal to change.

hogie roll 12-08-2022 07:39 AM


Originally Posted by Wildman_grafix (Post 4853091)
On my lift the 10K cables are the same as the 12.5K Motor and gear boxes are different.

Still not a huge deal to change.

Cool, I should look in to this.

scarabman 12-08-2022 08:21 AM


Originally Posted by Keith Atlanta (Post 4853090)
Yeah, usually a quick cable change takes it to up over 12K+

Agree with this, for the most part. Cradle beam size is also an issue. Some of the manufacturers use/used minimum beam size, and while there would most likely still be margin, you may end up with a fair mount of deflection in the beams

TeamSaris 12-08-2022 08:51 AM

All awesome boats. The Gladiator is a different beast than the OL and PR. If you plan on big steam and 100+, consider leaning toward the fountain or OL. I love Gladiators, we're repowering two this winter. I wouldn't want to go 120 in one though. At 120 in a 42 PR I could (and have) take my hands off the wheel.

Skater30 12-08-2022 09:29 AM


Originally Posted by 79 steven (Post 4853083)
40/39skater built fountain #6 boat race boat converted 5 seat sit down epoxy Kevlar all rigged fuel 8200#

Crazy how light that is! All the 36/368/388 Skaters are around the 9,000# mark. Super Cat class is 9,500# minimum weight when they pull out after the race.

Keith Atlanta 12-08-2022 09:34 AM


Originally Posted by scarabman (Post 4853097)
Agree with this, for the most part. Cradle beam size is also an issue. Some of the manufacturers use/used minimum beam size, and while there would most likely still be margin, you may end up with a fair mount of deflection in the beams

What type of lift and style of lift is this?

I had floating Polylifts and added another tube under it, usually, it adds 1500-2000 lbs, this is easy, either they are buoyant or they arent.

Ive had 3 different aluminum lifts the "I" beams are usually the same up to 15,000. Again there are a zillion brands so look at your brands website, you will be able to tell in 2 minutes the BIG lifts go up in size significantly. The other thing to consider is pylon size and strength. I cant remember but to go from 9000 to 12000 was a 5/16 to a 3/8 cable swap or somewhere thereabout. The swap bill back in 2015 was $900, so you can probably double or triple that now.



Wildman_grafix 12-08-2022 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by TeamSaris (Post 4853100)
All awesome boats. . At 120 in a 42 PR I could (and have) take my hands off the wheel.

That is crazy, love the look of those boats. I think only 9 were built?

OL SV's and the early GTX are some other favorites of mine,,,,, come on Lotto! LOL

hogie roll 12-08-2022 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by Wildman_grafix (Post 4853108)
That is crazy, love the look of those boats. I think only 9 were built?

OL SV's and the early GTX are some other favorites of mine,,,,, come on Lotto! LOL

yes only a handful, one has sank and been resurrected, one is in Europe and customized, one was a snowy mountain brewery race boat with a lid added, fast hands and Kwrights all white boat.

TeamSaris 12-08-2022 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by Wildman_grafix (Post 4853108)
That is crazy, love the look of those boats. I think only 9 were built?

OL SV's and the early GTX are some other favorites of mine,,,,, come on Lotto! LOL

We had 2-3 different engine packages in a white/red one. Had SSM6s on it. Based out of Canada. It was also the first one with the bench seat in the rear which was cool. Before the guy sold it our engines were making 1000hp and it ran out of prop around 125. What a ride though. He actually sold it and bought a Gladiator. Easier to tow, cheaper props, better visibility (stinks in the PR), etc. The PR was eventually repowered with 700SCIs.
Here it is with the big engines and me on the wheel. It really was a great boat...Reggie knocked that hull out of the park.


hogie roll 12-08-2022 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by TeamSaris (Post 4853128)
We had 2-3 different engine packages in a white/red one. Had SSM6s on it. Based out of Canada. It was also the first one with the bench seat in the rear which was cool. Before the guy sold it our engines were making 1000hp and it ran out of prop around 125. What a ride though. He actually sold it and bought a Gladiator. Easier to tow, cheaper props, better visibility (stinks in the PR), etc. The PR was eventually repowered with 700SCIs.
Here it is with the big engines and me on the wheel. It really was a great boat...Reggie knocked that hull out of the park.

That one looks good. Hard to see out because the bow is too high? Sit too deep in it in general?

TeamSaris 12-08-2022 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by hogie roll (Post 4853129)
That one looks good. Hard to see out because the bow is too high? Sit too deep in it in general?

Not so much that. Small area of glass with a lot of reinforcement around it. That thing was race ready. They tended to distort a little bit as well...like a pair of cheap sunglasses.

offshoredrillin 12-08-2022 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by TeamSaris (Post 4853128)
We had 2-3 different engine packages in a white/red one. Had SSM6s on it. Based out of Canada. It was also the first one with the bench seat in the rear which was cool. Before the guy sold it our engines were making 1000hp and it ran out of prop around 125. What a ride though. He actually sold it and bought a Gladiator. Easier to tow, cheaper props, better visibility (stinks in the PR), etc. The PR was eventually repowered with 700SCIs.
Here it is with the big engines and me on the wheel. It really was a great boat...Reggie knocked that hull out of the park.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIyH2y8d330

is that the one that went to TN, chattviper? had it

TeamSaris 12-08-2022 05:56 PM


Originally Posted by offshoredrillin (Post 4853153)
is that the one that went to TN, chattviper? had it

Nope, Canada all its life. Still there.

Wildman_grafix 12-08-2022 05:59 PM


Originally Posted by offshoredrillin (Post 4853153)
is that the one that went to TN, chattviper? had it

the one he had showed up last year at the toy run. Still looks good.
last I head it still had SCX drives.

315duramax 12-10-2022 10:11 AM

I’m not sure what weight my 39 gtx was , but I had full 6’s. Full 1150 hp blower motors all dressed up. Full cabin. And I towed it all over with a lifted 2500 with legit not a care in the world with it behind me. What an amazing boat that was. Pound for pound I’d take a this era OL, over any fountain, ever. Without even a question. But I know that’s not the topic. Just my 2 cents. This boat was a ROCKET
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...91de6454f7.png

DrFeelgood 12-10-2022 11:05 AM

"purpose"?

Marginmn 12-12-2022 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by 315duramax (Post 4853252)
I’m not sure what weight my 39 gtx was , but I had full 6’s. Full 1150 hp blower motors all dressed up. Full cabin. And I towed it all over with a lifted 2500 with legit not a care in the world with it behind me. What an amazing boat that was. Pound for pound I’d take a this era OL, over any fountain, ever. Without even a question. But I know that’s not the topic. Just my 2 cents. This boat was a ROCKET
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...91de6454f7.png

Let's guess, begging for one more lap around the lake? Begging to let you open it up over 100 mph with her in it? Begging to keep this bad arse boat instead of selling it and buying that 37 Sea Ray that she can bring more of her friends on? :)

I loved the look of those 39's. Randy had that Red one in his showroom at LCM back in the day. It sat for quite a while without selling because it came with Ilmors and XR's. But what a beautiful boat. Then Mike Fiore brought his 39 (with 850's I think) to the poker run one year. Just an awesome boat.

DRAG 12-12-2022 03:20 PM

42 PR is on my short list of boats I love. Wicked...not sure I could do without a cabin but its one of my Fav to look at. Regardless I think 9k lift is pushing it. Call the MFG and see what safety margin they use...probably 25%. In a PR you are carrying close to 2,000lb in fuel plus gear. Even on my little boat no matter who I talk to they say 15k lift for my 9,500lb boat and not a 12k.



Originally Posted by 315duramax (Post 4853252)
I’m not sure what weight my 39 gtx was , but I had full 6’s. Full 1150 hp blower motors all dressed up. Full cabin. And I towed it all over with a lifted 2500 with legit not a care in the world with it behind me. What an amazing boat that was. Pound for pound I’d take a this era OL, over any fountain, ever. Without even a question. But I know that’s not the topic. Just my 2 cents. This boat was a ROCKET

Off topic....I've seen your screen name here on posts for years and never put 2+2 together. Here is your boat in my shop probably right around the time you got it.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...e73c7c9324.jpg

315duramax 12-15-2022 08:17 PM


Originally Posted by DRAG (Post 4853404)
42 PR is on my short list of boats I love. Wicked...not sure I could do without a cabin but its one of my Fav to look at. Regardless I think 9k lift is pushing it. Call the MFG and see what safety margin they use...probably 25%. In a PR you are carrying close to 2,000lb in fuel plus gear. Even on my little boat no matter who I talk to they say 15k lift for my 9,500lb boat and not a 12k.



Off topic....I've seen your screen name here on posts for years and never put 2+2 together. Here is your boat in my shop probably right around the time you got it.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...e73c7c9324.jpg

OMG. are you the guy who put the boat in your shop when it was left outside in the freezing when it wasnt winterized and said shop owner who was building me a cover told me it was inside and then it wasnt LOL YOU ARE THE MAN.

My shop is doing great. we have 18,000 sqft now. 5 full time team members and im getting close to finishing my 40SS skater.

DRAG 12-15-2022 08:38 PM


Originally Posted by 315duramax (Post 4853627)
OMG. are you the guy who put the boat in your shop when it was left outside in the freezing when it wasnt winterized and said shop owner who was building me a cover told me it was inside and then it wasnt LOL YOU ARE THE MAN.

My shop is doing great. we have 18,000 sqft now. 5 full time team members and im getting close to finishing my 40SS skater.

Yeah that’s me. A buddy of mine asked if I could run over there to see if it was inside. I sent him a couple pics and I remember it was cold AF and he said the boat came from AZ. That guy did a number on my boat, so I had been dealing with that. Somehow….that guy is still in business. There’s always fresh blood I suppose.

315duramax 12-17-2022 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by DRAG (Post 4853629)
Yeah that’s me. A buddy of mine asked if I could run over there to see if it was inside. I sent him a couple pics and I remember it was cold AF and he said the boat came from AZ. That guy did a number on my boat, so I had been dealing with that. Somehow….that guy is still in business. There’s always fresh blood I suppose.


you were a life saver. If you ever see the new boat, make sure you walk right on because I owe you!
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...2e2264826.jpeg


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