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Question,
On most Skaters I have seen they have what I would call "print through". You can literally see the fiber lines. Is this because they are using just enough resin or what is that from? |
Originally Posted by 302Sport
(Post 4921992)
If insurance companies are taking this stand with Nortech’s, how the hell are they still insuring skaters when it’s just accepted that they need constant ongoing rot repairs??!!
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Originally Posted by Wildman_grafix
(Post 4922314)
Question,
On most Skaters I have seen they have what I would call "print through". You can literally see the fiber lines. Is this because they are using just enough resin or what is that from? Peter builds raceboats. That's all he cares about. The fact that people put fancy paint jobs and 8 person cockpits in them means very little to him. Hes all about performance. Period. Skater's are extremely strong, yet quite fragile. The strakes are razor sharp, but chip easily. They have a TON of end grain balsa, and very little glass. Light, strong, STIFF, but fragile. Sort of like a Mclaren. We know this from being a Skater dealer for 20+ years and rigging every single one we sold. Everything from 21s to 170mph 32s to quite a few championship winning race boats. They were all built the same. MTI, Nor Tech, etc etc build amazing boats but they are 100% more concerned about fit and finish, gel work, etc. They build pleasure boats. Corvettes or an AMG Benz. The "better" boat is the one that fits your needs the best. They're all great in their own ways. |
Originally Posted by 315duramax
(Post 4922289)
well. It’s not 1/2” 😂 and gee, idk. Maybe cause a cat needs to fly on the pocket or air and can’t be 14,000 lbs just to name a few reasons lol
2004 36 Nortech solid core bottom fiberglass/Kevlar 9200 lbs $616,000 Different methods of building both have their pros and cons Nortech was never a value-based builder, they cared more about quality, strength and fit and finish than speed. Cigarette still does it old school as well and hand rolls everything. IMO two of the top fit and finish companies in the business. |
Originally Posted by 315duramax
(Post 4922292)
sounds like an OL. They are the only ones I know of using an impregnator. Awesome process. What are you building ?
Joe |
Originally Posted by TeamSaris
(Post 4922316)
Very thin gel coat.
Peter builds raceboats. That's all he cares about. The fact that people put fancy paint jobs and 8 person cockpits in them means very little to him. Hes all about performance. Period. Skater's are extremely strong, yet quite fragile. The strakes are razor sharp, but chip easily. They have a TON of end grain balsa, and very little glass. Light, strong, STIFF, but fragile. Sort of like a Mclaren. We know this from being a Skater dealer for 20+ years and rigging every single one we sold. Everything from 21s to 170mph 32s to quite a few championship winning race boats. They were all built the same. MTI, Nor Tech, etc etc build amazing boats but they are 100% more concerned about fit and finish, gel work, etc. They build pleasure boats. Corvettes or an AMG Benz. The "better" boat is the one that fits your needs the best. They're all great in their own ways. https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...6207c9d34a.jpg https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...066390eaf1.jpg Its a thin outer skin that allows the print thru. Skaters are Epoxy and are painted not gel coated. I had my first skater (by luck) at 12 years old I got Pete's personal 18 footer because my dad took it on trade. I have had several Skaters since then and have one now. I have also watched them being built for 45 years now. I love Pete, love skaters, hate balsa core and what it takes to replace and or repair. These pictures crack me up when I look at them. Pete and my son are both F1 junkies so they were inside our condo watching the cars as the boats were running outside. Then my buddy has a Doug Wright shirt on sitting next to Pete. Pete says "hey you have some "**** on your shirt", Paul (who has also owned Skaters) says is it balsa dust? LOL...good times and the guy is a legend for sure. Joe |
Awesome pics and story!
Its interesting paint/gel with his boats. I think it depended on the era. Our old dealer packets have a ton of really cool info. Miss those days. For clarification, i certainly did not mean they had gel graphics like a Cali boat. Just the white base. Then again, we have plenty of progress pics from the factory back in the day of boats in raw fiberglass if you will. No gel there. "Standard High Gloss White GelCoat" https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...d8ad064e83.jpg |
“I love Pete, love skaters, hate balsa core and what it takes to replace and or repair. These pictures crack me up when I look at them. Pete and my son are both F1 junkies so they were inside our condo watching the cars as the boats were running outside. Then my buddy has a Doug Wright shirt on sitting next to Pete. Pete says "hey you have some "**** on your shirt", Paul (who has also owned Skaters) says is it balsa dust? LOL...good times and the guy is a legend for sure.
Joe “ Ha - That’s priceless. The reality is whilst many of balsa’s ASTM properties look unbeatable, it’s shear elongation (shear is the critical force for core) is terrible. In an earlier post, it was mentioned that the failure mode of foam core is within the core itself. However, all cores are not equal and I suspect they were using a cross-linked foam which cannot handle dynamic loading. For running surfaces, a linear foam such as Airex R63 or a higher spec Sans foam (Corecell) will endure elastic deformation and in the process absorb the energy which would otherwise fracture balsa. Save for the two Shaun’s Doug Wright (which either hit the bottom or was built too light -depending on who you speak with), those cats have taken the same or more abuse that the equivalent Skater without any of the rotting balsa issues. MTI used to build in Balsa but I believe they have moved on as well. Of course, these advanced foam cores cost a lot more than balsa but look at the price of a new Skater? A fast light race boat doesn’t have to turn to dust…. ND1 |
Originally Posted by nautdesign1
(Post 4922447)
“I love Pete, love skaters, hate balsa core and what it takes to replace and or repair. These pictures crack me up when I look at them. Pete and my son are both F1 junkies so they were inside our condo watching the cars as the boats were running outside. Then my buddy has a Doug Wright shirt on sitting next to Pete. Pete says "hey you have some "**** on your shirt", Paul (who has also owned Skaters) says is it balsa dust? LOL...good times and the guy is a legend for sure.
Joe “ Ha - That’s priceless. The reality is whilst many of balsa’s ASTM properties look unbeatable, it’s shear elongation (shear is the critical force for core) is terrible. In an earlier post, it was mentioned that the failure mode of foam core is within the core itself. However, all cores are not equal and I suspect they were using a cross-linked foam which cannot handle dynamic loading. For running surfaces, a linear foam such as Airex R63 or a higher spec Sans foam (Corecell) will endure elastic deformation and in the process absorb the energy which would otherwise fracture balsa. Save for the two Shaun’s Doug Wright (which either hit the bottom or was built too light -depending on who you speak with), those cats have taken the same or more abuse that the equivalent Skater without any of the rotting balsa issues. MTI used to build in Balsa but I believe they have moved on as well. Of course, these advanced foam cores cost a lot more than balsa but look at the price of a new Skater? A fast light race boat doesn’t have to turn to dust…. ND1 https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...a8f938faf5.jpg This a running surface that had been modified for extra support (the foam pyramid you see was added fore to aft for additional support). I remember doing the mallet knock and it didn't sound right. This is out of one of the 24s. |
Nortech great boat but they all don't pop out of mold perfect, so things happen ?For speed Skater or MTI good luck! PS don't bad mouth Nor Tech in SW Florida they are brain washed:eek::drink::ernaehrung004::food-smiley-007:
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