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GrinandBarrett 04-21-2003 07:38 PM

LLC news release questions
 
This was posted on the news group rec.boats.racing.power it has some good questions that should be addressed I did not post them but my questions are the same. I would have posted under Mike A's post but can no longer access it any longer. Iam a member of APBA but not in the Offshore catagory and as a member I feel this conserns me and all fellow members of APBA.

Thanks for your time.
Grin & Barrett



Subject: Re: APBA Offshore, LLC Chairman's Response to "Report"
From: [email protected] (MMaus1976)
Date: 4/21/03 4:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email protected]>

I am looking at this report and see a few things out of order. Could you please
respond so the membership can better understand what is going on.
First you named past association members to the Super board, Rick Sandstrom,
Mike Jones, Greg Jacobsen and a few more. You talk about the "Old Guard" but
yet you have the Old Guard in the Super Board. These are the ones you refer to
that have been operating in serect. You stated, "No one needs to look any
futher than the 2002 budget with Tremendous Waste", where in fact Mike Jones
and Greg Jacobsen were in power at the time and the report was generated based
on their performance. It was them that controlled APBA and they are on YOUR
BOARD so lets get them to respond about the waste.
Now lets get to the FACTS section in your letter. Is it not true that in your
contract with APBA there is a 3%increase each year for annual fees. You signed
it. It is in the contract, why can't they charge you for the increase?
As far as SEA-TAC, let the courts decide and lets move on.
You write $65,000 in Director Liability Ins. As to the 2002 report that you
refer to, you can see APBA spent $14,765.00 not $65,000.
Now to Sanction fees . You fail to mention that the Sanction fees have been the
same +/- 10% since Gene was chairman and the only person that changed ALL FEES
in APBA was Greg Jacobsen, who is also on your board. Why don't we get Jake to
respond.
You fail to say YOU increased the membership fees by $50.00 to go to you not
HQ.
Lets get to the Insurance. You make it your big hit. In 1999 APBA Offshore,
under then chair Gene Whipp, was paying $11,500 for $5,000,000 coverage for a 3
day event, now you pay in 2002 for the same coverage- $10,700. According to my
math you are paying LESS than it was 5 years ago?????????
As for your contract, was it not worked out in private ( OLD GUARDS) with the
same 2 men that are on your board. You keep talking about the past leaders and
they are in your group now. What does that say about your letter. Hearn did not
take over from Jones until Oct 31, 2002. Finally, as far as Brain H stating a
few weeks ago that things were a complete mess before MA took over. Mr H.,
Gene Whipp was the most respected chairman for APBA ever- and you disgracing
the work he has done for Offshore blows me away. He has turned over in his
grave over the past few years seeing what has become of all of his work. You
have not been in racing long enough to even make a comment about how things
were or how they are going to be.

CAP071 04-22-2003 05:38 AM

I think maybe OSO should have a category just for APBA and SBI talk. I can't view the other thread either, the one was removed.

THEJOKER 04-22-2003 06:47 AM

figures
 
That post is from Mark Maus the inspector that was fired or not rehired by APBA Offshore LLC. Another disgruntled employee. Most OSO Members have no idea what went on before the LLC took over. You could weigh in 10 lbs light and you'd get away with it , you could have a 6000 rev limiter , etc. I'd also be racing 90 mph factory 1 boats. Times have changed folks , get used to it! BH

GrinandBarrett 04-22-2003 07:07 AM

Re: figures
 

Originally posted by THEJOKER
That post is from Mark Maus the inspector that was fired or not rehired by APBA Offshore LLC. Another disgruntled employee. Most OSO Members have no idea what went on before the LLC took over. You could weigh in 10 lbs light and you'd get away with it , you could have a 6000 rev limiter , etc. I'd also be racing 90 mph factory 1 boats. Times have changed folks , get used to it! BH

Joker,

That my be true about MMaus1976 but the questions are the same and not answered. If what was asked is not true then please let us know.

Thanks,
Grin & Barrett




:confused:

THEJOKER 04-22-2003 07:31 AM

cronies
 
Grin&BARE IT :

Why don't you tell us your name? You register on OSO to give APBA Offshore LLC a hard time. You have lot's to learn about being a member here. BH

GrinandBarrett 04-22-2003 08:05 AM

Joker,

My name is Matthew Barrett I am a member of APBA currently in the OPC category. I joined this web sight to try and get both sides of the story. I appreciate haveing a web sight that will allow the airing of different opinions. After reading both APBA and Mike's "Reports" I had some questions It just so happened that this MMaus posted most of them before I could. I have not said anything against Offshore we are all racers we just race different boats but we're still one family maybe not a happy one right know but with discussion comes ideas and hopefully solutions. Since I went to Detroit and was present at some of the meetings that are in question and since Mike A was not there, I am asking some questions now. I have never met Mike and don't claim to now his agenda. But as an APBA member I think it is my right to ask.

Thank you for your input

Grin & Barrett

THEJOKER 04-22-2003 09:36 AM

Matthew:


Glad to see you posted your name. That is the first start to secure credibility here on OSO. Remember we are a offshore power boat / high performance web site. There are lot's of cronies that come on here to do nothing more than take a jab at others. Let's let Offshore do their thing and we'll see the truth come out - Brian Hollis APBA Offshore Member # 3977

GrinandBarrett 04-22-2003 09:49 AM

Brian,

That is why I'm here, to find out from all conserned what is happening and hopefully why. I am also trying to learn more about Offshore so when I get to watch I will understand it a little more.

Thanks again for your input

Matthew

Ron P 04-22-2003 10:03 AM

Grin, Welcome to the OSO board. You have past the credibility test.

Some others need to learn from you.

GrinandBarrett 04-22-2003 11:23 AM


Originally posted by Ron P
Grin, Welcome to the OSO board. You have past the credibility test.

Some others need to learn from you.

Thank you Ron,

I am still learning myself and am prone to mistakes so hopefully I can contribute something of interest in my time here. During the summer I will be attending the races on the APR Superleague tour if anyone would like to come watch you can get the schedule on their web sight. Also if I'm able I would like to come to the Milwaukee Offshore race if I can.

Matthew


:D

mmaus 04-22-2003 06:12 PM

Brain I did not know you set the standard for credibility for this site. I am glad to see you are keeping up with the party line. I have 18 years with APBA Offshore, how many do you have?

Originally posted by THEJOKER
That post is from Mark Maus the inspector that was fired or not rehired by APBA Offshore LLC. Another disgruntled employee. Most OSO Members have no idea what went on before the LLC took over. You could weigh in 10 lbs light and you'd get away with it , you could have a 6000 rev limiter , etc. I'd also be racing 90 mph factory 1 boats. Times have changed folks , get used to it! BH

Shows how much you know about my leaving Offshore. As with most of your post, they are false or misleading. So I ask you where is your credibility?
I asked for a few questions and Grin&Barrett asked the same and you attack him. What nerve we have to ask. Do you think people like us should be shot or go the party line?
As far as you and fever Mike saying the past team before MA SUCKED. Shows how much you two know about Offshore and what Gene Whipp did for the sport.


Mark.

driver53 04-22-2003 06:29 PM

mmaus,

you seem to have alot more credibility than that joker character, with just one post keep up the good work...

PhantomChaos 04-22-2003 06:39 PM

blah blah blah............sometimes I wish these were RC boats racing with no drivers beotching back and forth.

Hotfoot 04-22-2003 07:19 PM

Grin I caught s#$t for speaking the truth and how some people talk s#$t. Apparenly some people think that I can't even spell, but anyway here's to the well informed

Hotfoot 04-22-2003 07:23 PM

oop's i forgot the period.......

PhantomChaos 04-22-2003 07:30 PM


Originally posted by Hotfoot
oop's i forgot the period.......


:D :D :D :D

chaser 04-22-2003 07:44 PM

mmaus, go easy on the joker look who he gets his info from he can't help if it's false or misleading...... monkey see monkey do.

fountain1fan 04-22-2003 07:59 PM

chaser he he he he driver 53 howe right you are how soon we forget the greatest man in offshore gene whipp mmaus welcom hotfoot give them hell as for the joker or should be the joke he got his nose so far up ma as he doin't know any better bh robbie rogers nonapba member jest been around a long time

BattleCry 04-23-2003 02:38 AM

THE DUMBEST QUESTION IS THE ONE THAT IS NOT ASKED!!!!!

Who gives a SH*T how many posts you have. Its guys like you Joker, that make people fear posting that someone with a different opinion will jump down their throat.

GrinandBarrett 04-23-2003 09:43 PM

Mike and Me
 
At someone's suggestion I spoke with Mike A. today and spent exactly 81min on the phone with him. I would like to thank him for his uninterrupted attention that he gave freely. I still have quite a few questions but they may be going toward some members of the APBA BOD very soon once a little more information is looked over. I suggest anyone that has a question to call Mike and ask him yourself. As for me it just gets more and more interesting as I learn more. Again I would like too thank Mike A for taking time to talk to me and give his insights to this whole big mess. For those that stand by him I can start to understand your loyalty.


Thanks to all
Matthew Barrett

:confused: Not so confused anymore:rolleyes:

THEJOKER 04-23-2003 10:42 PM

sofa racers
 
You boy's are making some great lap times - keep up the good work. Maus if being a sell out and a follower get's an award , you just won the Championship - congrats! I guess you were a better inspector than Paul Abreau and Innovation Marine? Your so far up Reggie's ass it is pathetic. Keep talking trash I think it's hilarious - BH

THEJOKER 04-23-2003 10:52 PM

Mark:

I've been involved with APBA Offshore for 5 years. I also knew Gene Whipp well. He was the very 1st person I spoke with in APBA Offshore. I also visited his dealership in Sarasota , I sat on his desk as he went over every picture on his wall. He also spoke very well about Alweiss and applauded his ability to deal with people like you. Lead , follow or get the hell out of the way - to the back of the line please Mr Maus - BH

BattleCry 04-25-2003 11:40 PM

I hope the sofa racers comment was not directed towards me.

Ron P 04-26-2003 10:54 AM

More from Detroit.


SUPPLEMENTAL REPORT TO APBA MEMBERSHIP
Thursday, April 24, 2003
SUPPLEMENTAL REPORT TO APBA MEMBERSHIP REGARDING TERMINATION OF LICENSE AGREEMENT WITH APBA OFFSHORE POWERBOAT RACING, LLC

Some of the bitter, personal, and inaccurate commentary issued in recent days by Michael Allweiss and APBA Offshore Power Boat Racing, LLC ("Offshore") has been brought to the attention of APBA. We regret that the discourse has reached this level of unpleasantness unprecedented in the grand, century-old tradition of APBA.

It appears that Mr. Allweiss and Offshore, through their recent communications on the Offshore website and elsewhere, are attempting to divert attention from the real dispute between APBA and Offshore.

In brief historical summary, Offshore last year became unhappy with its February 2000 License Agreement with APBA, which was commenced during the tenure of former APBA President Michael Jones and former APBA Treasurer Greg Jacobsen. Offshore triggered the termination provisions of its Agreement with APBA by refusing to pay the agreed amounts due APBA.

On October 2, 2002, Greg Jacobsen sent a memorandum to Michael Jones noting that he had reviewed the calculated fees due APBA from Offshore for fiscal year 2002. Mr. Jacobsen directed APBA staff to inform Offshore of that amount due at the end of the October 31, 2002 fiscal year and to insist on timely payment of that amount.

Offshore was given notice of that failure to pay, was invited to cure it, and refused to cure it. Had Offshore performed under the terms of the Agreement, the Agreement with Offshore would not have been terminated. Instead, Offshore proclaimed that it would no longer abide by the Agreement.
APBA, to protect the interests of its membership, terminated the Agreement and informed Offshore that continued use of its name would violate APBA's intellectual property rights. Offshore has continued to use the APBA name and has continued to refuse to pay the amounts due APBA for fiscal year 2002 and for 2003.

Charles Strang and Steve Hearn met with Michael Allweiss and Lee Mills of Offshore in a good faith attempt to settle this dispute in a manner that might be mutually beneficial. As set forth in the April 17, 2003 Report to APBA Membership Regarding Termination of License Agreement With APBA Power Boat Racing, LLC, the settlement demands made by Offshore were simply outrageous and offered no hope of a compromise beneficial to APBA's membership.

On April 17, 2003, we informed Offshore's North Carolina counsel in writing of APBA's desire to have these disputes decided in an orderly, professional fashion in an arbitration proceeding, as agreed to in the February 2000 License Agreement, in accordance with the arbitration rules of the American Arbitration Association. In the meantime, APBA does not intend to engage in the types of personal attack and invective that have characterized Mr. Allweiss' and Offshore's recent communications on its website and elsewhere.

Contrary to Mr. Allweiss' assertions, APBA breached no so-called "confidentiality agreement," regarding the recent settlement proposal described in the April 17, 2003 Report. No such agreement existed. Moreover, in light of the aggressive demands and threats of litigation from Mr. Allweiss and Offshore, APBA felt its membership needed to understand why APBA had decided to end negotiations and submit this matter to arbitration.

APBA is grateful for the strong support and demonstrations of confidence from its membership over the past week. We hope that these outstanding issues will be resolved in the reasonably short term in the appropriate forum.

yahoo 04-26-2003 12:55 PM

Mark,

What are you doing these days ? Do you miss those phone calls from Ocean spray in the drivers meetings.

That was almost as funny as bill westbury (spirit of Houston) saying a certain endangered mammel tasted just like chicken
in the drivers meeting in worlds in Cape Coral.

See ya,

Curtis Morris
Team Yahoo

doright 04-26-2003 05:47 PM

Damn guys...take some friggin' spelling lessons.

JFM311 04-26-2003 07:17 PM

Joker-lighten up-you think you are the offshore authority,by reading your posts you seem to be qualifying people by # of posts,if they post their names,how much you think they know about the sport-ect.------by the way smart-ass,it's the couch racers that buy the products that sponsor the racers-get it?--you must have skipped the public relations seminar-john


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