Jessica Lynch rescue staged?
 

THE LAST LINE IS THE ONE THAT MAKES YOU SAY
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WASHINGTON (May 23) - Defense officials said on Friday the Pentagon was insulted by media claims the rescue of Jessica Lynch in Iraq was hyped to boost support for the war as questions swirled over the private's capture, her rescue and injuries.

The U.S. Army has launched an investigation into the capture of Lynch and others on March 23 in Iraq and an Army spokesman said the military's Criminal Investigation Unit was also looking at the treatment of Lynch and other U.S. prisoners of war in Iraq to establish if any war crimes were committed.

Lynch's rescue on April 1 from an Iraqi hospital by U.S. forces was billed a daring, heroic act in which brave special operations troops stormed into a hospital in the dead of night to rescue a fallen comrade. It also made the 20-year-old Lynch, of Palestine, West Virginia, a hero and symbol of patriotic pride.

But a British Broadcasting Corp. documentary concluded after interviewing Iraqis that the rescue was a Hollywood-style stunt designed to boost patriotism at a difficult time in the war.

Pentagon spokesman Marine Lt. Col. Dave Lapan said it was ''ludicrous and insulting'' for the BBC to suggest the rescue was staged and hyped up.

''The thing that is most insulting is the suggestion that we would put U.S. service members at risk to stage such an event. This was a real rescue under a combat situation,'' Lapan told Reuters. ''In addition, the war was not going badly.''

The BBC report portrayed a rescue in which there was little danger to the soldiers and quoted a local doctor as saying troops fired blank rounds to ''make a show.'' The report said the U.S. military knew before going in there were no Iraqi forces guarding the hospital.

Lapan said there were firefights outside the hospital with ''irregular Iraqi forces'' and to suggest blanks were used was silly.

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Lynch, an Army supply clerk, was captured on March 23 when her 507th Maintenance Company convoy was ambushed after taking a wrong turn near the southern Iraqi city of Nasiriya. Nine other U.S. soldiers were killed in the attack.

News reports since Lynch was rescued have varied, from claims Lynch was slapped around in the hospital to reports sympathetic Iraqis risked their lives by driving her to a U.S. checkpoint only to be turned away.

Lapan said the military had not been able to confirm reports Lynch was turned away but said this was unlikely.

The Washington Post published an opinion page article on Friday in which a long-time columnist chastised the paper for making mistakes in its coverage of the Lynch rescue.

''I take my own paper to task for the manner in which it reported the Lynch story,'' wrote the Post's Richard Cohen.

The Post initially said Lynch was shot and stabbed as she fought off her attackers ''gun blazing'' until she was taken prisoner.

''Trouble is, much of that may be false,'' Cohen wrote, adding Lynch was likely neither shot nor stabbed.

''Maybe the Pentagon hyped the Lynch story. Maybe in the confusion of the rescue, some honest people in the Pentagon just got things wrong. Whatever the case, The Post seemed unable simply to say so,'' Cohen added.

Army spokesman Bruce Anderson said the military was doing its own investigation into the capture of Lynch. ''It's an after-action review of a significant incident,'' Anderson said.

The Army's Criminal Investigation unit is doing a separate investigation into the treatment of U.S. prisoners of war to determine whether any war crimes were committed by Iraqis. Unit spokesman Chris Gray said investigators had been on the ground in Iraq since the beginning of the conflict.

One person unlikely to shed any light on what happened is Lynch, who doctors say has no recollection of the event.

Reut15:56 05-23-03

What libs will do to denegrate the US Military:(
What about the Franch Military!!!

I agree with Too Old.
Im Older than Too Old.
Mike J.

I did`nt know you could get them with penut butter!:eek:

Holy ****nit!!! Look at the new and improved Catman:D :D :D Welcome back and keep it up:) :) :)

Craig

Six voted Yes !!!! My God I Guess there is still a market for size two hats !!

Wow this "ignore list" thing is cool

I feel like I'm in Stepford. First Shane and now Catmando, who's the next to become tamed?

Keep it up Cat!

The story going around is that all her wounds were from her crashing the vehicle, and she was taken to the hospital for treatment and she made the whole story up, about her fighting until she ran out of ammo is BS she was knocked out when she went into the windshield of the truck and was taken to the hospital where she woke up in bed. She was being treated for her wounds in the hospital.

I read a story where 1 person made a good point. IF it was true that she fought until the ammo ran out and she was tortured why was she kept alive to tell the story and taken to a hospital and treated? Why wasn't she shot to death on site during the fire fight? The story goes on to say they found her knocked the (f) out in the front seat of the truck after all the fighting was done, when the Iraq's realized she was still alive they rushed her to the hospital.

I agree with Too Old. Way to many people to keep a story going and to maintain a lie.

In real life it just don't happen, you can't keep the story straight and keep a secret.

Then again I forgot that in some peoples eyes, "Everything is a Conspiracy".

Well look how long the Lochness story went on. They made Millions off that. And on their death bed the person who started it all said I have to admit it was all a fake! Haven't you noticed that ever since a few years back when that guy died and admitted it was all a fake you haven't had one sighting since



:D

Just another case where a couple thousand people must keep a very large secret.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I do believe Jessica's capture by Iraqi forces is true. Her supply truck was hit by a rocket propelled grenade and 9 of her comrades were killed.

However, I dont think she was beaten once they got her. Maybe the first citizens who found her did. If you read about the captives from the first Gulf war, they'll tell you that the civilians who found them did most of the beating. Once they were in prison, they got slapped around some, but not anything that we typically consider as 'torture'. They were even seen by nurses every day to treat their wounds and give them antibiotics.

One prisoner even said he was so sick of drinking water that he demanded they bring him milk -- and sure enough, he got it.

From her wounds, I think Jessica was involved in the fight and fell off the supply truck.

From Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, D.C.: "Lynch suffered a head wound, spinal injury and fractures to her right arm, both legs and her right foot and ankle. She is undergoing occupational and physical therapy."

But during the same fight, 9 other members in her company were killed, including a soldier from my home town.

But here's the part that gets really foggy -=- US and Israeli intelligence already knew exactly where Jessica was being held, and the Iraqi army had left days prior. So the part about the Iraqi Lawyer giving them 'tips', may have been a little overblown.

Remebmer, at that time -- with all the protests going on, we really needed some good US vs. Iraqi-citizen PR, so the story was embellished to prove that the "Iraqi people really are behind us", and from that point the "Iraqi Lawyer" story became overblown, eventually garnering him a job with the US firm, The Livingston Group.


http://worldnetdaily.com/news/articl...TICLE_ID=32410

"Everyone expected the Americans to come that day because the city had fallen. But we didn't expect them to blast through the doors like a Hollywood movie. They made a big show. It was just a drama. A big, dramatic show."
-- Dr. Anmar Uday, physician at Saddam Hussein Hospital

http://209.17.95.115/images2/Jessicalynch1.jpg

Mod were you there ??? Also Do you know anything about how Iraqis soldiers treat Woman???
:confused:

I know what a real HERO is and it's not her in anyway!
THANK YOU TO THE REAL HEROS

REAL MEN

WHEN CAN THEIR GLORY FADE?
O THE WILD CHARGE THEY MADE!

I am with Too old on this 100% I tend to believe the brave ones that gave me this freedom I enjoy EVERYDAY on the rescue story..

long Long before a frickin nobody reporter....look it has been a proved fact that a liberal rat journalist can be wrong and biased his/her entire crumby life and keep Their job... A military Leader does not have that luxury.

Again I thank our brave Military for my Freedom. Not anyone else.

WTF???

any of you ignorant a-holes that think it was made up-first think about the the 9 people that died in front of her and the other soldiers she was with--stop watching tv and get real---oh, and she may not be a hero to you-what have you done for your country lately?--you must be french

You're right , Too Old. There's way too much BS being spread across our televisions and newspapers these days. ALL the more reason to dig and research both sides to every story. Including this one.

As amatter of fact, Fox News is just about to be banned from the UK because its full of bogus reports and false "sources". Such as the recent proven false report that France was helping Iraqi's leave the country. Remember during the war, those continuous Fox reports that insisted we had found WMD? I was weary after the nearly a half dozen claims turned out to be totally fabricated. Made for good ratings, though.

News has simply become entertainment. The more MTV-WWF-like they can be, the more they'll get people will watch.

So these days, I dont believe anything that's force-fed to me - especially when presented with colorful flashing lights and a big "ooh Rah" sounding in the background.

But that's just me.



What ever floats your boat :D

Thanks for the link. I've got a link for you too.
This one even has with "real people" sources.When it first broke, it didnt get much press either:


http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...910113,00.html

A few hours and a simple internet search was all it took for U.N. inspectors to realize documents backing U.S. and British claims that Iraq had revived its nuclear program were crude fakes, a U.N. official said.

"Close scrutiny and cross-checking of the documents, the letterheads on them, the signatures on them, led us to conclude with quite absolute certainty that the documents were false," an IAEA official said.

"They were fabricated," said another IAEA official.

The fabrication was transparently obvious and quickly established, the sources added, suggesting that British intelligence was either easily hoodwinked or a knowing party to the deceit.

IAEA chief Mohamed ElBaradei informed the U.N. Security Council in early March that the Niger proof was fake and that three months with 218 inspections at 141 sites had produced "no evidence or plausible indication" Iraq had a nuclear program.

But last week Vice President Dick Cheney repeated the U.S. position and said that ElBaradei was wrong about Iraq.

"We know Hussein has been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons, and we believe he has in fact reconstituted nuclear weapons," he said.

One more
 

When you dont think anyone in the upper levels of military or the government is capable of making up stuff for their own benefit, here's something to ponder: "Fake documents 'embarrassing' for the US"
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/03/14/sprj.irq.documents/

are you saying people were killed ( staged) for the benefit of government? --****ty way of thinking on a holiday that remembers the fallen men who are responsible for our freedom-those who were lost were for OUR freedom will be heros to me-JOHN

John, I'm not sure WHO you are talking to......? My posts never said Jessica's capture was staged or the rescue was not a real rescue. Go back and read my posts again.

What it SAID was that the helpful-lawyer part was blown totally out of whack because our own intelligence in the area already KNEW where she was anyway.The Iraqi soldiers had left the hosptial days before.

BUt the Iraqi-civillian-savior spin was something that was seriously needed at the time.And it worked.

As far as veterans go,in my immediate family i've got 6 family members who served us. God bless them. Collectively they've served battles from Somalia to Bastogne.But even they will tell you that the big bosses do lie when necessary.Its not shocking to anyone.

Thought for Memorial Day: Always remember that its the MEN and WOMEN who are on the front lines risking their lives to serve us. Not the government.

Re: One more
 

Is the government "capable" of making up stuff? ABSOLUTLY. Did they fake the documents? DOUBTFUL. Did they use the fake documents? YEP

Even the CNN article states that most "experts" discount that the US, Great Britain, or Israel were the ones responsible for faking the documents.

All governments have an agenda...but then again, so does the media outlets. Getting back to the documentory, I rate Mr Kampfner right up there with Peter Arnett, but that's just me.

And, BTW, on your thought for Memorial day, We certainly agree:)

Mod read what i posted--it was directed towards the "not a hero to me" statement--that is a subjective statement-walk a mile in her shoes

CNN !!!! :confused: Now here is a News orginazition that is not capable of the Truth

Here is some copy to read.

Eason Jordan, chief news executive at CNN, published in the New York Times a truly rare article last Friday: an op-ed capable of genuinely shocking even world-weary cynics in a jaded world. He announced that, over the last dozen years:

"I made 13 trips to Baghdad to lobby the government to keep CNN's Baghdad bureau open and to arrange interviews with Iraqi leaders. Each time I visited, I became more distressed by what I saw and heard - awful things that could not be reported because doing so would have jeopardized the lives of Iraqis, particularly those on our Baghdad staff."

He went on to catalogue in horrid detail the abuses of Saddam's torture and murder machine. He wrote that Saddam's eldest son Uday "told me in 1995 that he intended to assassinate his two brothers-in-law who had defected and also ... King Hussein of Jordan." The CNN news executive tipped off the king, but not the brothers-in-law, who were subsequently murdered.

In one of his most revealing statements, Jordan wrote that: "I came to know several Iraqi officials well enough that they confided in me that Saddam Hussein was a maniac who had to be removed." He concluded by writing that "I felt awful having these stories bottled up inside me ... At last, these stories can be told freely."

Where to begin? First, as the chief news executive of the only truly worldwide television news network, Jordan was literally the one man in the entire world in a position to "unbottle" those awful truths. Moreover, those awful truths were not only newsworthy, but would have been history-making - had they been reported.

One can only imagine the impact on the U.N. debate of last winter if CNN had headlined that several Iraqi officials had told CNN that "Saddam Hussein was a maniac who had to be removed."Instead, the world got CNN reports balanced carefully ? we know now, thanks to Jordan - between the truth and the requirements of Saddam's propaganda office.

So deeply had Mr. Jordan morally compromised himself and CNN that Uday the psychopath felt comfortable confiding his highest-visibility murder plans to Mr. Jordan. His secrets were safe with CNN. What a scoop they missed: "Son of Saddam Hussein plans to murder King of Jordan." Indeed, the entire Arab world might have turned on Saddam years ago if that story had been reported.

But, of course, if CNN had reported that story, it would not have been able to keep open its Baghdad bureau - and thus would have lost the profitable competitive advantage it maintained over rival news outlets.

For the last twelve years, CNN has provided the West with the dominant news image of Saddam's Iraq. It was the jewel in the crown of CNN's international reporting reputation. But, now we know, from the unwitting pen of CNN's morally obtuse chief news executive, that it was always a false image CNN was

Broadcasting. The hard news was kept secret. The propaganda flowed like wine. CNN was running a straight propaganda-for-profits deal with Saddam. Until CNN brings in honest news executives, no prudent viewer should trust CNN'scurrent and future reporting from other foreign capitals.

Unfortunately Steve1, this story is factual.Its even being investigated by the FBI as we speak.US blames the UK and the UK is blaming the US.

Good Lord, even Colin Powell himself doesnt even deny the report was bogus. It didnt even have the correct name for the Niger government, was written on expired stationery,and the presidential signature wasn't even close to matching.

A former CIA officer said the report getting past the CIA was "an embarrassment" and that if OUR CIA had created a forgery, they would have certainly done a much better job than that.

I dont doubt that either. :D

How about the Associated Press? Are they any good?

AP Wire | 03/14/2003 |
Senator Wants Fake Iraq Documents Probed

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...ws/5394313.htm

Anyone else think this new guy "ModMachine" sounds amazingly like a guy that was kicked off OSO a few months ago?

Hmmmm... super something.... mod something...???

besides, Don't you think this should be on the current events page?

Hey, guys.....Just giving my opinoin without getting all personal here.Cant we keep the thread legit without gettin nasty with each other?

I was just pointing out some discrepancies.Can you imagine what this country would be if we were not allowed to dig into what's going on with our leaders? Seeking to find out whether they're feeding us the truth or some pile of crap?
Gee, wouldnt we then be a little bit like..............Iraq?

IMO, we've all got a right to say how we feel about things,even if some agree with it. (and there's always going to be someone who doesnt agree). I just said what i felt I had to.



And No. Ive never been kicked off OSO.

Oh Yea I believe everything I see and hear :D

I didn't make a personal attack. I simply stated that your post and links remind me of another guy.

Hmmm, you may be right Troutly. but, he was always the first one to get very defensive in an argument and claim personal attacks.

Uh, There is a current affairs section for this type of thread:rolleyes:

Mod- I have been a member of OSO for a long time & have seen a lot of strange things happen here. OSO is better than watching TV sometimes. This is not a personal attack on you, just letting you know what a long time member is thinking. As I was reading your posts I noticed when you became a member & how few post you have. (Always have to wonder about someone new) I then checked your profile to see what threads you have been posting too, after noticing that you left where you live blank. I do not think you are supercrash but your writing style is also making me wonder if you may be using a different screen name of another person that has posted on OSO.

I cannot beleive you brought Elvis into this!

Thanx Troutly.

In reply to Turbojack:If you read my very first post when I came on as ModMachine I gave all the details of why I had to start a new name and why I had to keep the ID under wraps.
Yep you are right,I am a long-timer but rare-poster of OSO.But Im not Supercrash or Catman.And I dont think we've ever chatted before (I dont think so anyway).I really doubt you know me on my other screenname.
But back to the original post topic.no matter what,I STILL think the part about the Iraqi lawyer hero-of-the-day was overblown to get some brownie points.Thats my story and im stickin to it. :)

12 Idiots now:confused: