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Riddle me this,,, trimming the drives in during a tight turn and with power on LIFTS the back of the boat resulting in a slide out and then the boat catches and flips. Ask Wyatt Fountain about his drive angle in Marathon last year. After boat was raised the drives were tucked...
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Glad all are fine.
Freaking idiot doing power slides... and a new boat he obviously was not familiar with, now let's all look at our insurance go up because of this mental midget. That Lake is Bad news with all the traffic on weekends. You have to be sharper than a fighter pilot to run on that pond and not get close calls. |
Course< I don't have a stepped hull either. Good points sauron! This is a great thread, particularly because no one got hurt. I think most performance boaters like to do power turns to some degree. Me being one, I would like to know how to do them better and safer at the same time ;)
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Quoted from the crash thread
38'Fountain-$340,000
Damage to 38'Fountain-$200,000+ 6 People walk away alive----PRICELESS!!!!! Quoted from the crash thread |
Originally posted by Mad Hatter This isn't a velocity smarty pants. The reason Velocity says that is because THEY DON'T STEP THEIR HULLS, NOTICE THE STEPS IN THE HULL OF THE FOUNTAIN! How cocky and brilliant do you feel now? Does this mean that a non-stepped hull will never flip or barrel roll? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: |
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG...BUT...It's OBVIOUS that cash doesn't buy brains OR common sense...The guy is obviously WAY out of his league boat-handling/skill/experience-wise...Shame on the dealer for letting him loose out there as well...(SILVER SANDS MARINA???)...STEVE STEPP probably wouldn't have sold a boat to this moron...Steve's pretty good at sizing-up his customers...Not to FOUNTAIN bash,but... Reggie does seem to need the cash flow right now...Regarding Lake WINNI & how "dangerously busy" it is...If you guys insist on doing the "Paugus Bay-Weirs Channel-Governor's Island -Glendale look at me parade" then YOU are part of the problem!!!...ALL SUMMER long on EVERY "busy" weekend, my son & I have headed out to "The Broads" & have literally had the whole run from Jonathan's Landing to Winter Harbor/Wolfboro all to ourselves...This weekend it was ESPECIALLY good cuz it was actually a little rough...If any of you girlz care to hone YOUR boat-handling skills, look for me out there & I'll teach ya a thing or two...All for FREE...You might spill your drinks tho...lol...
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If Im not mistaken every new Fountain comes with a video which is very specific on how to drive it and trim it, turning included.......wheres Fever Mike?
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Originally posted by GLH Glad all are fine. That Lake is Bad news with all the traffic on weekends. You have to be sharper than a fighter pilot to run on that pond and not get close calls. |
Fever Mike did you buy a concept c.c.
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I'm a two Velocity owner, and you know what?? It means nothing! I will say though, that no matter what brand your partial to...there's nothing like plenty of seat time to make you a solid high performance operator in any given boat. Boat bashing is innapropriate here...there's a much bigger issue! No doubt this jerk-off was @#*%ing around with next to no seat time and a boatlaod of people...we're all gonna pay! :mad: I figured as soon as I started down this thread and saw a stepped bottom and "3 hours" that these two ingredients most likely are major contributors. But as they say...guns don't kill people...azzholes like this do! ;)
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It also appears in the photograph of the salvaged boat, that the props are turning in.
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Originally posted by Rippem I'm a two Velocity owner, and you know what?? It means nothing! I will say though, that no matter what brand your partial to...there's nothing like plenty of seat time to make you a solid high performance operator in any given boat. Boat bashing is innapropriate here...there's a much bigger issue! So true! Thanks. velocitoy....... :rolleyes: |
Originally posted by rouxsterre It also appears in the photograph of the salvaged boat, that the props are turning in. It looks like the drives are in and tabs out too. |
That ** WAS ** a damn pretty boat. What a nightmare for that poor slob - and his passengers.
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Originally posted by Mad Hatter This isn't a velocity smarty pants. The reason Velocity says that is because THEY DON'T STEP THEIR HULLS, NOTICE THE STEPS IN THE HULL OF THE FOUNTAIN! How cocky and brilliant do you feel now? WOW WOW velocity guys slow down did not mean to rip on any boat. As a matter fact i thought of the velocity ad when I saw the pic's. I'm sorry if I was not clear by what I meant. I know that it was a fountain. I get a kick on the velocity campaign saying that there boats don't spin out like step bottoms. :D HOW COULD ONE FEEL COCKY AND BRILLIANT WITH ALL THE GREAT MINDS ON THIS FORUM. BigJake |
The Learning Curve & The Edge
As i've said over and over the problem with step's is the transition or where's the "edge". This guy obviously blew it big time, but over the years so have I ( never with a boat full of people) there is no comparison of how a step comes around vs a straight V, PERIOD. Thank god no one was hurt, but the insurance companies are always gonna lump all performance boats together and as more and more of these snap rolls take place we're all eventually going to be paying for it. Those of you that have experienced slides in both types of hulls know that if it had not been stepped, it would have been a wall of water, a hell of a scare, some bad bruises and a lesson never to be forgotten. Yes, drivers will always be making mistakes, regardless of the type of hull, it's the severity of the results that worry me.
BTW that aft section of deck coming off does'nt give me the warm & fuzzy, did they stop fully glassing the joint ? Of course it could also be giving us some indication of just how violent the snap was. JD |
FOR SALE
NEW Fountain 38 3 hrs fresh water only (both sides hull and topside) 1/2 hatch & 1/2 swim platform (the other halfs could be sold seperatly) some sanding required to avoid cuts. Hydro tuned engines. This monster is not afraid of the water. Owner going back to skateboarding, Dude. |
Originally posted by catmando A trial lawyer's feeding frenzy, eh Bruce? |
Exactly!!!!!!!!!
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Too old..
Great avitar I dont think anyone is blaming Fountain or stepped hulls in general. As previously stated...Guns dont kill people..People kill people. This was obviously a case of blatant disregard for safety and / or ignorance to high performance boat handling. And I dont think anyone here argues that point. |
Originally posted by Too Old We can analyze boat bottoms and argue steps until Hell freezes over. The problems not the boat. It's the fool behind the wheel. PERIOD end of story, end of discussion on steps. :) |
Ya hit the nail on right on the head Too Old! That is a sweet avatar.
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Too Old
I know, I know, I know, enough is enough it's just hard when you've experienced how guick it happens and how totally unforgiving they are. Thankfully it looks like the fad is passing, the steps are getting smaller and it's no longer the marketing nervana. The two biggest threats to my passion are insurance and loud exhaust there to for I will continue my lobby for safer but fast PLEASURE boats that don't piss other people off when ya use them.
I am officially ending my rant on " flightly, hard to handle at speed, sensitive to fuel burn, bite you in the ass in a heartbeat, difficult to load on a trailer, 2mph extra speed at any cost " stepped hulls :D Thanks, I'm done JD BTW about the only fast food i eat is the chicken whopper, it rules. |
Re: Too Old
Originally posted by WickedWon BTW about the only fast food i eat is the chicken whopper, it rules. [/B] |
Originally posted by JUST ONCE Not to sound ignorant but I have often wondered is it that easy to flip over a v hull. Could someone give me some honest experiences so I can be a little more certain about running my boat. I've had a few times when my bow aired out pretty high but I just assumed it wouldn't come over. What causes a roll in a Vee is it a combo of a bad wave, over trim, too much throttle, wind?? are only certain Vee hull balanced capable of flipping over (given that your not in 10 foot sees.)Not to sound stupid but I've always sort of wondered. Please educate me on this matter. Maybe I am missunderstanding what happened also I'm thinking of flipping over backwards not barrel rolling. Thanks This happened to a boat I was in two years ago. It was a new twin step(2 days old), we went into a turn at about 60 mph. It was a close call at first, but the driver caught another boat out of the corner of his eye. After he saw that, he yanked the wheel a little harder, and all six of us went flying. It was total driver error, but none of us were hurt, and neither was the boat. The thing we finally figured out is the steps are there to lift the boat out of the water, and the ass end just came out of the water in the turn. When it skipped and landed we high sided, it was an interesting ride. |
We can analyze boat bottoms and argue steps until Hell freezes over. Lets face it, All boats drive differently. You can drive two 38 TS Top Guns with the same power and rigging that came out of the mold right after the other and they will not drive EXACTLY the same. For this reason: 1. Owners need to take a little time to learn and feel how to drive there new boats. 2. Buyers need to LET dealers take the time to teach them how to drive. 3. Dealers need to MAKE the time to teach (And have someone who knows what they are doing). These three things rarely happen. Of all the people on this board stating that the driver in this case was a complete dip****, how many of you took more than 2 hours with your dealer on your new boat? Or Even with your Broker? The only reason I say this is due to the fact that teaching (and I do) someone to drive an offshore boat is like pulling teeth. Everyone thinks its easy and can run the boat up to top speed in hour one. And Dealerships do not have a training programs (That I know of, If you do my hat is off to you). If these three things were added to the boat buying experience we would have more knowledgeable boaters. And fewer time that we say "Six more people just got lucky". |
Originally posted by IDRPSTF 3 things that would change the history of boating: Lets face it, All boats drive differently. You can drive two 38 TS Top Guns with the same power and rigging that came out of the mold right after the other and they will not drive EXACTLY the same. Like I told DMAN.......it's because they are home-made in a small round tin shed. |
Originally posted by catmando People kill people with guns. Guns are made to do ONE thing; expell a projectile at high speed into flesh with the intent to terminate life with extreme prejudice. LMAO..... Troll... |
Originally posted by PhantomChaos Does this mean that a non-stepped hull will never flip or barrel roll? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: |
What is up with the Velocity owners on this thread??? Chill out already...
Damn, ANY boat is capable of flipping or rolling with the wrong person behind the wheel...perid...I don't care if its a 14 foot jon boat with 9 volt trolling motor.:rolleyes: I don't get the whole "power turn" thing...If you want to do that crap, why not buy a seadoo? |
No Sh*t Cat ?? You mean for the last 35 years shooting at clays & paper targets I have been doing it wrong ???? SHAZAM !!!!!!!!!
I gonna go kill sumthin !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You need a life brother.............. |
Originally posted by catmando Guns are made to do ONE thing; expell a projectile at high speed into flesh with the intent to terminate life with extreme prejudice. |
Cat man is just looking for a political argument, Don't give it to him:o
WILL |
look at the bright side no one was hurt and he will not be ont he water for a long time. insurance does not take to kindly to accidents in this matter.
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Like I told DMAN.......it's because they are home-made in a small round tin shed. I was using CIG as an example. ALL Boats are this way. A 382 Fastec without a Generator, Inverter, Centrall Vacuum, Air Conditioner, Heater, Bimini Top, Retractable 500SL Hard Top, Over Bed Sex Swing, Formula Logo Rubber Sheets, Extra High Setting on the McLoad Foot Rest, DVD, TV, VCR, MP3, Vacu Flush Head, and other goodies would not run the same as yours! |
Originally posted by IDRPSTF Norty, your boat is the same way. I was using CIG as an example. ALL Boats are this way. A 382 Fastec without a Generator, Inverter, Centrall Vacuum, Air Conditioner, Heater, Bimini Top, Retractable 500SL Hard Top, Over Bed Sex Swing, Formula Logo Rubber Sheets, Extra High Setting on the McLoad Foot Rest, DVD, TV, VCR, MP3, Vacu Flush Head, and other goodies would not run the same as yours! |
Originally posted by catmando People kill people with guns. Guns are made to do ONE thing; expell a projectile at high speed into flesh with the intent to terminate life with extreme prejudice. We all knew that the real Catman would show back up:rolleyes: :rolleyes: Welcome back dickbreath:D :D |
Originally posted by Troutly The sex swing with sphinctoidinal viberator gets used by him all the time from what I hear :eek: :D |
Originally posted by catmando People kill people with guns. Guns are made to do ONE thing; expell a projectile at high speed into flesh with the intent to terminate life with extreme prejudice. |
Sounds like a classic " Hey Watch This"! What a moron , he almost killed his friends due to being ignorant! BH
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