daven sighting....

He's on the phone calling the oh sh!t look what I did now fan club.. there goes Sonic

I'm confused as to what the problem is. Do you all honestly think that no Baja dealer ever bash other brands. Well I hate to burst the bubble but it's a pretty common practice in boat sales (at least from my experience). Dealers of other brands will bad mouth Baja too. He just stated that in his opinion(which he is entitled to) Baja was an entry level boat. I've heard allot worse come out of the mouth of Baja sales men.

Not that I'm defending him or his situation. I'm just making a point.

Brian

Hey Guys,

First off I would like to hear more about the new product maybe coming from Baja!

Second, I am probably the king of "Stepping In ****". I have opened my mouth a few times on this board and regretted it, so I understand what kind of mess you can create.

I am not trying to take up for Dave, but as a person I think he really means well by his customers. He just forgets sometimes that this is a very tight knit boating family, and he is at the same time excited about things that Sonic does that Baja does not.

Hopefully he will get back on here and set things straight.

Now lets get back to boating...

Whats New With Baja??

The Weather here is GREAT, Dock Holiday will be on the water this weekend.

Hope to see some of you guys.

Bajalion, I do have to admit for a 32 your boat is bigger and alot of 35's and rides like it also. It is the only Baja I've ever took a liking to.

I think you need to reread his post. Look at the ridiculous comparison he is making. It made absolutely no sense at all, and he's probably feeling pretty silly right about now after reading our posts.

POINT WELL TAKEN!:)

although the comment about the pontoon, and the comparrison of lenght:rolleyes:


Let me make a few quick calls and maybe I can enlighten some of you on this new BAD BAJA:cool:

Like I said I'm not defending his post, just his right to state his opinion regardless of the fact he was a Baja dealer and is currently a sonic dealer. I'm just saying that he's not the only boat dealer to bash other brands.

I don't drink and OSO. I say stupid enough stuff sober. :D :)

And I think your all wrong the best Baja ever built was the 190tc.:p If you don't agree refer to previous sentence.:D

Brian

sorry folks...sworn to secrecy:)


Although there are a LOT of suggestions on this post as to what the new Baja is going to be;)




hell theres even a pic:eek:

Having owned 2 Baja's,
 

a Checkmate, and my current 35 Fountain, I tend to agree with Daven. Baja's (while not an entry level boat in the general boating market) are at the bottom of the ladder (entry level) in the High Performance market, and I think that is what he ment to say.

Baja is the Chevy of High Performance boating. There's nothing wrong with driving a Chevy, but it sure isn't a Porsche or a Ferrari.

I think the 33 Outlaw is the best Baja built, personally. Let's be honest though...I LOVE my Baja and have made a beleiver out of many folks with it. But, it is not the same quality of some of the custom boats. We all know that, so no reason to bash or defend it for not being so. It can't be, they have a huge product line that goes beyond go fast boats. As well, the price of the Baja's is sometimes 1/2 of a boat of comparible size in another make. Call it for whatever reason you want, but it is what it is....more affordable than many other makes. And, for the most part, you don't sacrafice a whole lot. Sure, there are excpetions...and favoratism. Just remember, they can typically put up with alot more abuse than the crew can. I think my boat is well built, but there are surely some things I would change...I'm sure we all could say that about our own boats.

I like them all personally....Baja, Cig, Powerplay, Fountain, Apache, Skater, AO, Eliminator....whatever, I think they are all sweet.

Besides...how many of you Baja bashers have done THIS in your boat.......;)

OK i think its no secret Baja is an average entry level at best... nothing wrong with this, they sell a ton . its low $$$ per foot boat and people like the styling and the cookie cutter graphics...
THATS FINE..

LETS TALK ABOUT PROBABLY THE BEST THING TO EVER POSSIBLY COME TO BAJA...THE 399.

SAVE THE OTHER SH!T FOR A DIFFERENT THREAD

will this 399 skater hull baja deck ever get built?

Its rather exciting because when Is the last time a true performance boat had a great pleasure interior...if anyone can do that...BAJA CAN

I've had a Velocity, Fountain, Regal, and a couple of pontoon's!! and now a BAJA

The Velocity was FAST but the interior and cabin was it's downfall.

The Fountain was Cool (slower than the velocity) but everyone looked at you from across the lake. Again the interior suffered, it had NO room in the cockpit and little in the cabin.

Regal good family boat, built in a production line...But not put together like the Fountain or Velocity.

The Baja I have now was bought for a purpose "The Family" it has tons of room in the cockpit and cabin, recently I have started it's restoration and while I was taking it apart I was surprised to see how well it was built and engineered. It's got some problem area's but so did the other boat's!! No it's not going to be the fastest but you have to say they are doing a good job in the production boat market, they're Marketing and styling are ahead of most!!

Offer stands.

now let me start the post just by saying this is just something that i've noiced.. that's all

three people in teh world that always have the best.. Dodge truck owners.. doesn't matter you can show them in the books that there truck doesn't tow the most under warrenty.. second person.. anyone that has AOL.. the best and always will be the best.. third person.. someone that owns a Baja.. just read this post..

three people that just love what they have bought and nothing you tell them or show them will change there minds... end of story

now let me start the post just by saying this is just something that i've noiced.. that's all

POWERBOAT SALESMAN will tell you what ever you want to hear to make a dollar. The product they sell is always the best.

LOL

Post 61, offer extended.

I have never seen "The Perfect Boat"

Nor have I seen one brand that has and does EVERYTHING that all the rest do.

Because we all have different budgets, different lifestyles, differents needs there are MANY different manufacturers for us to choice from to get what best suits each individual.

We have owned three Baja's. If they were a piece of junk I would not have purchased the second one, much less the third one.

My wife just won a trophy in Jacksonville for "BEST INTERIOR" out of 102 boats with boats in the running like a 50 ft Nortech, 38 Top Guns, etc.

That is one of the main reason we purchased the 36 Outlaw. It does everything we need it to do. The styling is nice, it has the same high quality Mercury 500 EFI's that the high dollar boats do, it has the awesome McCleod electric bolsters, etc.

We looked hard at a 35 Fountain and also a 353 Formula. Both awesome boats. The 36 Outlaw suited our needs better for less money.

Is Baja slower in speed, YES, it is not a stepped hull boat, but other than that it is not a lesser quality boat either.

I respect that there are a lot of people on this board and they represent all the boats on the market. It does not speak well for anyone to get on here and bash a person's personal choice in brand just because you don't like it.

I have never met a boat I did not like. They all have something to offer. I wish I could own a hundred different ones and enjoy them all. If you have a boat and enjoy boating you are my kind of guy!

If you have to bash anyone for the type of boat or truck they own, then I pitty you.

Re: BAJA
 

I was just hoping for some answers to your post.

#1 Did you work for BAJA, or just a salesman somewhere?

#2 Is it fair to compare a 30' boat to a 36' boat? Hell, I wouldnt wanna compare my 22' BAJA to even a 25' BAJA. Thats like comparing Apples and watermelons!

#3 Pontoon? Come on, lets not talk about the women you've dated recently! :eek: (Just kidding, Im cracking myself up today! :D )

:D :D

A 1995 32' baja handed me my ass while i was in my 1999 33 scarab. I personally respect the baja's. bold lines on some of them, and my old 290 never broke down and left me calling sea tow. As for the scarab hell thats another story.

Lion,

Bad judgement on my part.

I guess the true DaveN is showing now.

I wish him luck, but he will never get any more of my money!

That may be the most off the wall comparison I have ever seen on here. How on earth did we go from bashing boats, to bashing trucks to bashing AOL users.
The point of this thread all revolves back to dealers and customer service.

Since you so freely throw your prejudices around I am an entry level boat owner. The next boat I am looking for isn't an entry level boat. As a matter of face YOU are a dealer for the boat I am looking for. That has to be the best marketing technique I have ever seen. Go to a thread where people are upset with a dealer for bashing a boat they enjoy, then stupidly bash the same boat again.

Doc,

As you know I try to never fire the first shot. I love boating of all sorts every boat has redeeming qualities. I've always been a bang-for-the-buck kind of guy who loves wenching on boats.

I'm also known to talk to about anyone and love to give rides if I even remotely know you. If you need help I love to give it.

I even think the "other" guys who come to the Baja board and bash us is kind of fun. A lot just good spirit.

People like DaveN are just sour people who like to look down their nose at people just flat out tick of my hillbilly-Pennsylvania track housing raised butt.

Not much experience but a friend has a 38 Special and Ive been looking at them as a possible next boat. Almost every one of them has a headliner in the cabin that has fallen and Baja wont fix them (again, according to my friend). Thats pretty crappy and sends me a signal as a prospective future customer.

Personally, I think everyone is WAY too sensitive. As a Checkmate owner, I have seen MANY negative (and often truthful posts) about my boat. I will be the first to admit its' weaknesses. But honestly, other than the pontoon analogy I don't know how anyone can really fault someone for expressing their OPINION on the boat in question. There is a big difference between someone saying a boat is entry level and someone blatantly calling someting a worthless piece of junk. How is the statement "entry level" so offensive? IT IS THE TRUTH. If someone called my (recently sold) Corvette "entry level" compared to a Ferrari - IT IS. They aren't bashing it. If I was new to this board and didn't know a thing about boats, and wanted to buy a high end boat to smash through HUGE waves in the Long Island Sound, the last thing I'd want is someone's advice that a Baja or Checkmate is the strongest and greatest boat ever created. They aren't and it's the wrong application for either of them. This board is supposed to be informative - so why doesn't everyone let it be and not take every item to be a personal bash (pontoon comment excepted).


So anyway, back to perhaps a boat that will crush the HUGE waves, the NEW 399. What do we know about it?

bro i never sad they where bad product.. all i said is that the people that own them injoy them more than most.. that's all

Well put, I agree.

bro i've worked on Baja, ran baja, and have bajas to sell.. i personal don't think there's anything wrong with the boats.. if you read the post i never said and of the three product are bad or good.. all i'm saying is that the people that own those products really seem to enjoy them more than post.. that's all.. what ever marketing they did on those products is very good because they have fierce following to them.. all three a very reputable companies to do buss with..

Well said Jromy. Having owned two of them myself, if Baja isn't an entry level Performance Boat, then I don't know what is. And that's not a slam against Baja, it's just a fact.... errr....... an opinion.

for example I had a Z-28, by far inferior to a vette but personally I liked the way that car drove, looked, sounded, pretty much everything about it over a Vette. Bajalions boat does everything I would want a performance boat to do and at a better price,coming from me who generally never liked baja's I can say hey whatever floats your boat.:D

FIRST REPLY
now let me start the post just by saying this is just something that i've noiced.. that's all

three people in teh world that always have the best.. Dodge truck owners.. doesn't matter you can show them in the books that there truck doesn't tow the most under warrenty.. second person.. anyone that has AOL.. the best and always will be the best.. third person.. someone that owns a Baja.. just read this post..

three people that just love what they have bought and nothing you tell them or show them will change there minds... end of story

SECOND REPLY
bro i never sad they where bad product.. all i said is that the people that own them injoy them more than most.. that's all

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Ok, Yeah I can see how that could be taken wrong.

NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good try, but like DaveN you keep digging deeper and don't show any respect for your customers.

Who gives a **** about this topic anymore,let's move on to something else,everyone has opinions,we like our Bajas others like Fountains,Cigs,Formulas,it doesn't matter you should be happy that you can have one.

I agree as well. Baja's are nice boats they have good performance quality's and the priced low. But to compare one to a Formula, Outer limits, Apache, Cigarette, Fountain,Donzi. As far as Quality goes it's just not there. But not every one can afford the top of the ladder and I will bet that you have just as much fun driving as the Guy in the Fountain. When you Put it in the category with the Above group of boats they are entry level. But you don't pay what the other guys payed!

that and who's to say the fountain won't break down more often.

Hmmm, Am I opening another can of worms.:D

I'm done.:crazy:

what ever bro.. i'm done.. i've re read and re read the post and no where do i say anything bad about any of the products.. and what's the point you are trying to make about the way i treat people??? hell bro i have Baja, wellcraft, donzi, checkmate, skater, customers and all are happy.. so i just i missed your point all togehter..

all my first post says.. ford hauls more than dodge out of the book.. aol user like there ISP and Baja people like there boats.. that's all.. just something i've nioced.. that's all


maybe a mod could just lock this thread...

i'm done

The only reason I kept chiming in, is because a guy comparing a 30' boat to a 36'. Did everyone except me, BAJA DAZE and 29 Outlaw miss this? :confused:

This is an entry level performance boat :D

You must have missed my last
requirement for the entry level
pontoon he was suppose to
recommend me:D :D

jt