6 litre ford diesel problems? WHo had them bought back ?
 

With all the trouble the new 2003 ford 6 litre diesels are having , I keep hearing people have had Ford buy them back ......

I want in on this !!
After my trouble this weekend with the Excursion adventure , I want rid of my 03 F350 . I want a new 2004 without the problems !:mad: This truck has run like crap since new .I was told this weekend ,by the mechanic where I was broke down , that there are around 85 different parts on the 04 better then the 03's !

WHo has had problems ?

Any problems with 04's?

Who has had their truck bought back ?

Or ,who knows someone that had their truck bought back by ford ?

How did this get done ? WHo do you call ? And how much hassle was it ? Does it require 3 strikes like the lemon law ,or are they more willing to please because they know they have problems ?

Lets get this figured out for everyones benefit !

Thanks,Joe

I believe that most people are doing it under the lemon law. I believe that it needs to be in the shop for the same complaint 3 times. 3 different complaints do not constitute a lemon.

Sorry I can not help you, but I can tell you that I special ordered a 2004 F250 on November 21st and was expecting to have it delivered near the holidays.

I got a call yesterday from my dealer telling me that due to delays because of the problems with the earlier trucks and changes since then and the holidays that my truck will not be ready now until late January. Not happy about it, but at least I know that it will be the latest version and hopefully all of the problems will have been worked out.

Check www.thedieselstop.com I think a few members have had their trucks bought back. Maybe you could send them a PM and see what they had to do. I think you have to start by contacting the regional manager/rep to get the ball rolling. Sorry to hear about the problems.

We had ours (03 Excursion w/ 6.0) taken back under the lemon law.

It has to be taken to the Dealer at least 3 times for the same problem. With ours it was much more than that!!

We contacted an attorney here in So. Cal. that does Lemon Law cases, he wrote a letter to ford, and three weeks later we got a response.

Ford offered to either take back the vehicle and refund all payments (including interest), or give us a new vehicle with a 5 year or 75k service plan. I don't trust the 6.0 anymore so we opted for them taking it back.

They will deduct many from the point at which you bought the vehicle, untill you started having problems. For us it was 1800 miles. We are still coming out ahead.

We just ordered a new Chevy.

BTW: If you win your case ford has to pay the attorney fee's, which in this case was $2500.

Good luck

st31, some times later is better !;)

Pure energy, Good idea .

HAvasu cig, great details ! Thats what we need here !

Thank you ,Joe

Unyone else got some good details to share ?

I have 2 very good friends that had their trucks bought back. One "launched" his engine on the way back from Lake Powell and the other had sooooo many problems they got tired of listening to him. I do know of many that have the earlier 6.0s that have had no problems at all. It seems if you get one that runs good, you have little trouble, but if you get a "lemon" it is pure chaos. If you are having problems it would probably be in your best interest to follow Havasu Cigs lead and pursue a different truck. Sam

superduty 250 crew cab 03
i must have a good one. i have put 17000 mile on it since july 4 and have had no problems. hope it stays that way.

I have a conection to buy ford trucks and resell them to my trailer customers . I have sold quite a few 03 6 litres . They ALL add problems . I think that some people that don't know the difference ,dont' realize it .
I told my customers their trucks had ruff idle and "dead pedal"and and lacking power and we should send them back to be reprogrammed. They said "no, thats OK, it seams fine to me " !:rolleyes: They been driving them for months and don't know what they are missing !

Actualy , the Excursion that is dead in VA. ran great too . Had great power for 33K miles till it died ! I noticed the truck ran ruff once in a while and would surge some times in gear . Now it's dead ........:(

JUST STAY WITH THE PROVEN POWER AND RELIABLE MOTOR OF THE 7.3 IT HAS BEEN AROUND TO LONG AND GOTTEN BETTER WITH MILEAGE.

Boot,

Our's had all the problems mentioned above. No power (like the turbo was not making boost).

It idled at different rpms and would surge at times which would cause the truck to surge forward while at a stop light (very dangerous).

The rear main seal went out at 1800 miles.

the turbo had to be replaced at 2500 miles.

the computer had to be re-flashed 6 times.

total loss of power twice while driving on the freeway here in San Diego (again very dangerous).

The dvd player had to be replaced.

This is by far the biggest POS I have ever owned.

I had a 99 F-250 with a 7.3 and a 02 F-350 with a 7.3. Both were great trucks.

The GM at the dealership we were working with even said that in his opinion the 6.0 was a POS. He said it has cost him sales because people are afraid to by them. He sent me to their GM dealer to look at the GMC's.

Check out www.blueovalnews.com

Ford has had a falling out with International - the supplier of the 6.0 due to the problems. They are looking at other engine builders. I wouldn't be surprised to see a diesel from a new manufacturer sometime soon.

they should have stuck with the 7.3L

I have a really good friend that bought a new 6.0 Ford Dually. I didn't want to pop his baloon and tell him about the problems I've been reading on here , well he called me and said his new truck took a puke. I was like well let me tell you what I've been reading.............I have a 7.3 Ford Dually and it's been flawless - BH

Wow...I cant believe they didnt have a general recall.

Thats amazing

Brian...hopefully your buddy will get a new truck out of this

the 7.3 is the way to go, that 6l is going to give ford a bad rap on there diesels, i still swear by the 7.3 has the best diesel i have ever driven.

I believe the Lemon Laws vary from state to state. In Louisiana, the vehicle is a lemon if three or more attempts are made to repair the same problem, or if the vehicle spends more than 30 cumulative days total in the shop for different problems, all within the warranty period.

The problems have to affect drivability, not just stereo, paint,etc. The Better Business Bureau conducts the arbitration hearing and vehicle inspection, and uses an independent volunteer arbitrator to hear the case. There decision is binding upon the manufacturer, and if accepted releases the manufacturer from any further action.

I had a Pontiac that had numerous problems, oil leak at 2500 miles, etc. and the dealer flat out refused to take the car in to service it, stating that he did not know when he could get to it. I told him that was his problem, not mine.

Each time I visited the dealer I asked for a business card from whatever ahole I had to talk to. I wrote the time and date on back of the card as the ahole watched. I then handed him a list of the defects, and asked to have the problems fixed, reminding him that I would require a loaner vehicle if the repairs would take longer than 24 hours.

I filed for a hearing with the BBB, and brought ALL the documentation I had. We examined the car, showing the oil leak, etc. Within a half hour after we left, the decision was posted in our favor. BYE BYE Pontiac.

The value of the car is pro-rated over 100,000 miles (1% per 1000). You need to bring any form of plausible proof- repair bills,etc. and it will be in their favor if there is no proof.

Good Luck-
Ronnie

hello boot my 03 6.0 is back for another reflash #2 plus the cked the injector lets see this time

Here's something for ya :


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Exclusive Report
6.0L Powerstroke Diesel Injectors Are Ticking Bombs
07 July 2003
Robert Lane
Updated 11 July 03

At the launch of the 2003 Ford PowerStroke 6.0L's engine, Ford used a fuel injector design that has proved fatal to the engine. The fuel injectors were stamped with numbers "3C3Z-9E527-AA" and later "3C3Z-9E527-ABRM". Within months, Ford recalled all of those fuel injectors in dealer inventory and by 17 April 2003 began to use a new design, part# 3C3Z-9E527-AE. Ford, however may have continued to build new 6.0 engines with the old fuel injector until 03 May 03. After that date, Ford used the new fuel injectors in all new engines and service applications.

The below Ford Motor Company diagram details the defective injectors on the left while the improved design is on the right. According to Ford Motor Company and Ford Master Technicians at FlatRateTech, the injector's plunger suffers from side loading which then causes raw fuel to flood and enter the engine's oil crankcase or hydro-lock the engine. Both occurrences are so disastrous to an engine that a total replacement engine is often required.


Image and text: Ford Motor Company

The Warning Signs
Ford Motor Company and Ford techs both cite a rough running engine as a possible sign that the injectors may be failing. Other potential signs that your engine may be included in Ford's 6.0 Powerstroke fatality index are a rise in the engine oil's dipstick level or a high than usual smell of diesel fumes/emissions.

Even though Ford Motor Company is aware of Powerstroke 6.0L engine failures caused directly by failed fuel injectors, they have refused to issue a recall. This is troubling to those who quickly rack up miles on their engines leaving them without a warranty to cover the damage or the cost of an engine replacement.

This is considered a "silent recall" where upon Ford may NOT notify owners of this condition. Owners should contact Pat Hoye (313) 248-8336 at Ford World Headquarters or click here for a Ford executive assigned to your area.

Owners are advised to have their vehicles inspected before the warranty period expires.

It's your money - demand a better product and Ford will listen.

CHALLENGE: Should Ford Motor Company dispute this report - either someone from BlueOvalNews or FlatRateTech will be more than happy to engage in a three way telephone conference.

Updates at BlueOvalNews.com




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Another bit to chew on :

"International Truck and Engine Corp. already supplies Ford with the 6.0-liter PowerStroke engine used in the F-series Super Duty trucks, but that engine has encountered major quality problems.

This year, Ford repurchased at least 500 trucks suffering from severe engine malfunctions caused by the fuel injection system. Ford also encountered problems with the turbocharger and engine computer.

The new PowerStroke's flawed launch is the major reason for bad blood between Ford and International Truck.

Last year, Ford abruptly canceled plans to buy International Truck's 4.5-liter diesel V-6 for the new F-150. International Truck swallowed a $170 million charge to cover the cost of engine development and factory tooling.

The company later received compensation from Ford. Terms of the settlement were not disclosed.

Anybody know what happens to these lemoned trucks?

Probably bandaged together and sold at auction.

I was told that they are sold with a title simialr to a "salvage title" with no warranty.

As far as arbitration like was mentioned above, Ford opted not to go to arbitration in our case, but that would have been the next step.

Good luck to everyone.

I have a 2003 Excursion (same as HavasuCig's) with the new 6.0 and it SUCKS!! My last truck with the 7.3 liter was so much better. If Ford doesn't unf*ck these problems asap, they are going to lose (already have) even more customers.
Are you listening FORD?????? Wake the hell up!!!!