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RedWarlock 12-25-2003 11:17 PM

Tire suggestions?
 
Ok OSO brethren, I figure here's as good a place to get an answer as any... My tow vehicle is an '01 Expedition XLT 4x4, and it currently has 16" Goodyear Wrangler ATX tires, which are OE from the dealer. However, I've noticed that even under normal (non towing) driving that the vehicle has a tendency to "sway" when passing larger vehicles, or when exposed to sudden gust from the side. This gets GREATLY exaggerated when towing, and it's a safety concern for me. I've noticed that the sidewalls are "soft" at 40psi, and the rims have a lot of travel room from side to side when simply pushing on the vehicle by hand. Short of "low profile" rims and tires, has anyone else here had this problem, and if so, what tires were they replaced with?

Thanks in advance for your help! :cool:

impulsive 12-26-2003 12:23 AM

I have a 01 F350. When passing big rigs my truck does get pushed out . When its real windy I think any suv or truck is going to get pushed around a little. Your tire pressure seems a little low to me . I'm not sure what the max psi on your tires are but 40 seems low.

Fountainclimber 12-26-2003 08:05 AM

Had an 2000 Expedition with the 17" ATX tires. They quickly went out of round but it was leased so I didn't change them. It bucked front to back when towing but sideways seemed all right. I got an 03 with the IRS and it tows much better although it squats down a bit further. It has stock 17 Continentals on it.

A guy at work has a 99 Eddie Bauer (16 or 17 ?) who did extensive research and ended up with the Pirelli's and he loves them. I suppose it depends on how much "allseason" tread you want.

You could go to the next load range up to get rid of side wall flex but it would ride like a stone.

Try calling the folks the Tire Rack and see if they have any suggestions

RedWarlock 12-27-2003 05:22 PM

I'm towing a 25' Warlock World Class which weighs in @ 4950 lbs, 5700 w/trailer. I have the class IV towing package which allows me to pull 12k lbs, so I don't really think that's the problem. Troutly, thought about the alignment, so I had it checked after the 1st hair-raising "wiggle session" last year.:eek: It tracks true. Max tire pressure is 44 psi on these tires, and they're currently @ that pressure. However, they are the R/TX tires, not the A/TX tires, and they are 4 ply sidewalls. Goodyear recommends these for non-offroad applications. :rolleyes:

GLH 12-27-2003 08:09 PM


Originally posted by Troutly
It is obviously more unstable in the turns than the Crown Vic I had before...
You mean you MN Statees don't get Porsches??? :D

mama tryed 12-27-2003 10:22 PM

RedWarlock: If you get a second, Give me a call at work!! I'm in the Tire Business and I use to Tow my 32 with a Exp. 1-800-231-2295 ext 129 If you can beat my price thats Great, no problem!! I'll keep your Local Honest anyway!!! :D :D


Fountainclimber:::
:hothead: I dont know anybody at Tire Rack that supports OSO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's all I'm say'in

Sydwayz 12-27-2003 10:45 PM

I had Goodyears on my Tahoe. The whole truck towed wishy-washy. When I went to airbags, and eventually BFG All Terrain KO tires, it REALLY cleaned up the towing sway and white knuckles.

On my current 3/4 Ton Avalanche, I have Cooper Discoverer ATs, and they are every bit as good a tire as the BFGs, with a quieter ride, and about 25% cheaper.

See this thread for my entire decision process:
http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/s...ht=truck+tires

Sydwayz 12-28-2003 12:01 AM

You are absolutely correct MrO!

RedWarlock 12-28-2003 12:50 AM

Thanx guys!
 
The info is greatly appreciated! Sydwayz, thanks fot the link! It was helpful. I'm also thinking about a sway bar to help eliminate some wheel flex as well. I'm gonna contact a 4WD specialty shop and see what they recommend as well. I'll keep ya posted!:cool:

Thanks guys!

mcollinstn 12-28-2003 01:09 AM

Goodyear truck tires usually last pretty well. Too well, in my opinion. I know that they offer a comparable product these days, but back in the late 80's every Goodyear truck tire I ever owned cupped and got loud. Always kept my trucks lined up too.

Went to Michelins, BFG's, and Bridgestones. I probably won't ever buy another Goodyear truck tire, unless I end up choosing some odd wheel size combo and they are the only game in town to fit it (not likely).

Just my personal experience.

Back4More 12-28-2003 01:30 AM

;)

RedDog382 12-28-2003 07:48 AM

I had a 99' Eddie Bauer Expedition. Drove the thing for quite a while and felt it would drift and sway alot. Like you, I assumed it was tire and shock set-up. But one day during an oil change I noticed there were no link pins connecting the front sway bar to the control arms!!! There was no evidence that these were ever installed at the factory. The dealer tried to tell me "they must have fallen out". The link pins are about 13" long, are installed and suspended from the top ... I would have had to lose both retaining nuts and then rolled the vehicle over for them to "fall out". I started looking at other Expeditions and noticed several the had the link pins missing. I had to buy the parts and install them myself. It was a totally different vehicle.

Does yours have the link pins installed?

RedWarlock 12-28-2003 02:12 PM

Don't know RedDog382, but I'll check it out! Thanks!

mcollinstn 12-28-2003 04:44 PM

All the Goodyear truck tires I ever had were original equipment from Ford, Nissan, and Jeep. If I ever bought more of them, they were the exact same size and type.

If they were misapplied, then they were misapplied from the vehicle manufacturer (which is not farfetched).

I have owned and repurchased many Goodyear passenger car tires, and although I currently have none on my personal rides, I wouldn't shy away from them.

The Firestones (eek eek!) that came on my YukonXL were immediately replaced with larger 18" wheels and tires, but those stockers went on a buddy's truck and performed well and lasted well and didn't cup or other bad tire behavior.

I've had Coopers, Generals (I ran XP2000z's on several performance cars.

There's a lot of good tires made by mfrs other then the TOP 3. There's a lot of mediocre tires made by top notch mfrs.

I've found that the "owner reviews" section on TireRack.com is useful for getting some feedback on tires you may be considering (as long as you can see thu some of the more stupid entries).

As with anything else, troubleshooting weirdness when towing should start with basics like tire pressure, vehicle alignment, proper tongue weight, and mechanical issues (worn suspension bushings, etc).

heat wave 12-28-2003 07:40 PM

tire stores
 
I owned 14 tire stores at one time,go to a 265/75/r16 8 ply.or a 235/85/r16 10 ply.The tires on the truck now are,I would guest 6 ply.They have a soft side wall for a good ride which is fine if your not towing a large boat.Go for the 8 or 10 ply,best bet mich LTX a real good tire or Firestone R4S which is a Bridgestone top of the line.

fountain1fan 12-28-2003 09:52 PM

i've got mich ltx as 10 ply and love them on a 2500 dodge quid cab great for what they are when it's time to replace them the dodge will get dick cepeck fun countys rd 33 12.50 17

FASTTIMES 12-28-2003 09:59 PM

IMO-
BF-Goodrich all-terran is the best truck tire out there!

ChrisK 12-29-2003 09:00 AM

I put BFG KO's on my 2500HD before I made the trip to NY last month. AWSOME tire. A bit noisy, but acceptable to me. They wore so good that even after pulling a 38' trailer with me up there, the little "knobbies" where still on the tires after 1400 miles! They look sooo much better than the others as well to me.


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