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Infomaniac 12-03-2004 08:57 PM

First Trident Boat Popped From the Mold Today
 
These pics temporarily unavailable. Scroll down a couple of posts.

What an exciting event. The first boat from the mold. 27' deck boat.

For those that are unfamiliar with Trident. They made the leap into the next century with the hull layup techinque.

Gel Coat, Linear Foam core, Minimal layers of propriatery cloth. All put under vacum dry. While under vacuum the resin was infused.

This is a first for the famiily boat manufacturing industry. Lighter and stronger than any other.

Enjoy these pictures. Register here at their web site for regular updates and the update archives are great reading.

http://www.tridentboats.com/gal/data..._Collage_2.jpg

Steve 1 12-03-2004 09:09 PM

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Wow way Cool ;nice Job looks like you are on the right track,

Infomaniac 12-04-2004 10:05 AM

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2 Attachment(s)
The finished hull pic links are down right now apparently.

Here are some pics during the resin infusion. There is a video of this on Trident's site.

Jassman 12-04-2004 10:09 AM

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I like the first pics better from last night, the ones that got popped from the mold with the gel colors on. You need to post them again, they looked awesome, Great Job. :cool: Jeff

Infomaniac 12-04-2004 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by JASSMAN
I like the first pics better from last night, the ones that got popped from the mold with the gel colors on. You need to post them again, they looked awesome, Great Job. :cool: Jeff

Thanks Jeff. I should have saved the pics but I just linked to where they were already hosted. I am trying to get them . I will correct it as soon as I am able to get the pics. They are on CA time out there. :drink:

LostinBoston 12-04-2004 10:54 AM

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What about these guys?
http://www.german-powerboats.de

theyve been around a while. Check the pics on the site of the bow section

http://www.german-powerboats.de/bild...zelnd_vweb.jpg

Infomaniac 12-04-2004 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by LostinBoston
What about these guys?
http://www.german-powerboats.de

theyve been around a while. Check the pics on the site of the bow section

http://www.german-powerboats.de/bild...zelnd_vweb.jpg

Pretty nice boat and material.

Just for the sake of friendly interesting discussion.

What exactly is the comparison? To be fair I have not communicated enough about the Trident to facilitate a good discussion.

The German boat uses epoxy which a few US build boats are using. They have carbon, Aramid, glass fibre etc in the construction but it is still a wet layup method used.

The Trident uses only a fraction of the resin of any other boat. Resin is non structural but a necessary and heavy component.

Without speaking out of turn maybe Trident will speak up soon on the weight of the hull and how much resin was actually used for this 27' deck boat.

LostinBoston 12-04-2004 12:07 PM

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I actually know nothing about either boat, i was just comparing the front tri-hull.

Infomaniac 12-04-2004 12:10 PM

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Thanks for the heads up on the German boat. :)

Infomaniac 12-04-2004 04:27 PM

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Well the photo unreliability has driven a dedicated photo gallery. The model, building the plug and mold, also the first boat.


Trident Boats Photo Gallery

BradH 12-04-2004 04:46 PM

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Neat looking boat.

So how is this layup method different from SCRIMP, a process used by Hinckley and a few other high-end builders?

Infomaniac 12-04-2004 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BradH
Neat looking boat.

So how is this layup method different from SCRIMP, a process used by Hinckley and a few other high-end builders?


Since I am put on the spot for climbing out on this limb. :rolleyes: And do not know the methods used by Hinckley and a few other high-end builders.

I would have to say the proprietary linear foam core and the proprietary fabric weave. Everything else?

This is a family 27' deckboat man.

I was aware that some yachts and sail boats had used this method but did not know the names.

shifter 12-04-2004 07:11 PM

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Good luck Wes and everyone at Trident. So far so good.

I saw them at SEMA this year. The boat looks sharp.

pat W

TopSpin80 12-04-2004 07:21 PM

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what is the link to the infusion video... I can't find it anywhere on their site

Ernie

Infomaniac 12-04-2004 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TopSpin80
what is the link to the infusion video... I can't find it anywhere on their site

Ernie

Here you go man. It was in their latest update and can only be viewed for registered folks. I will cheat and provide the link.

The video is DIVX encoded. If you do not have DIVX you can download the codec for Windows Media Player or their player HERE

Trident Boat #1 Resin Infusion.
Right click and save the above video link is the best way. It is 35 megs large.

glassdave 12-04-2004 08:23 PM

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awsome boat. i was reading the team profiles on the site. pretty impressive to say the least. will you have one at the Miami show (just curious because i'm going to that one)? very nice website too. being a builder myself i always enjoy these threads. keep the pics coming. that boat is going to set a new standard for sure.

BradH 12-05-2004 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Infomaniac
Since I am put on the spot for climbing out on this limb. :rolleyes: And do not know the methods used by Hinckley and a few other high-end builders.

I would have to say the proprietary linear foam core and the proprietary fabric weave. Everything else?

This is a family 27' deckboat man.

I was aware that some yachts and sail boats had used this method but did not know the names.

I'm having some trouble thinking of the difference between a proprietary linear foam core and a conventional foam coring. Also would like to know some more about the proprietary weave, if possible. Thanks.

Once again, neat boat. Even better is that you are using this on a family deckboat.

Infomaniac 12-05-2004 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BradH
I'm having some trouble thinking of the difference between a proprietary linear foam core and a conventional foam coring. Also would like to know some more about the proprietary weave, if possible. Thanks.

Once again, neat boat. Even better is that you are using this on a family deckboat.


Guys - I am just sharing the info. I'm not building the boat.

Have you been to the site? That and the video posted above has some explaination of your questions.

BradH 12-05-2004 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Infomaniac
Guys - I am just sharing the info. I'm not building the boat.

Have you been to the site? That and the video posted above has some explanation of your questions.

Have been busy and have not had a chance to look at it. Will do very shortly.

Sorry to have barraged you with questions- my apology. I seem to do that a lot.

Infomaniac 12-05-2004 09:22 AM

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No problem. You challenged me for the details and that is perfectly acceptable. Even though I am not involved in the hull construction I was the one that brought it up. I am involved with the remainder of the boat and very proud to do so.

I finally paid enough attention to Trident's method to notice what is so unique. They are doing this method over a sophisticated gel coat scheme. Which according to them is an industry first. Sonic has a similar process but as a comparison the boats are white and are then painted.

I was mistaken about the resin infusion itself being a first. But that process is very limited in the marine industry. And for sure a first in a deck boat.

The Trident hull is one of a kind also and they have patented it as a tri hydro design.

Looks like a cat? NO CAT INSURANCE. :D

Steamin Rice 12-05-2004 10:20 AM

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Info,

Looking good so far, I have been watching this project for a while now...

When is Wes going to join over here and start posting?? I would think that a lot of people on this site would be interested in the build process..

Infomaniac 12-05-2004 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Steamin' Rice
Info,

Looking good so far, I have been watching this project for a while now...

When is Wes going to join over here and start posting?? I would think that a lot of people on this site would be interested in the build process..

Wes does not feel it appropriate to join up and start introducing his product. That is not cool. That is understandable. He was not aware how large and powerful this site was until I told him the other day. :drink:

I would guess after the ball is rolling faster he will do just that. He would definately do a much better job of explaining. I think he is pretty busy about now.

I volunteered the information on my own. I am excited about it.

The members here are well educated in boat building and boat manufacturers as I found out by opening up my mouth and putting in both feet. :rolleyes: No problem, I have thick skin and will admit when I am mistaken or wrong. :sorry: :sorry:

Anyone care to talk engines? :D

TopSpin80 12-05-2004 10:38 AM

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I just watched the video...
This thing is unbelievable.... if you haven't seen it the download is well worth the wait... even if you are on dial up...

I'm not on dail up by the way :D

Wow that is cool..... I can't wait to see it done on a high performance boat... I know their boat is a family boat... but with a that technology a performance boat could be pretty cool..... but as you get stronger like that... you also get stiffer... and without any flex.... there could be catastrophic failure at the speeds I would want to achieve :D

Ernie

Steamin Rice 12-05-2004 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Infomaniac
Wes does not feel it appropriate to join up and start introducing his product. That is not cool. That is understandable. He was not aware how large and powerful this site was until I told him the other day. :drink:

I would guess after the ball is rolling faster he will do just that. He would definately do a much better job of explaining. I think he is pretty busy about now.

I volunteered the information on my own. I am excited about it.

The members here are well educated in boat building and boat manufacturers as I found out by opening up my mouth and putting in both feet. :rolleyes: No problem, I have thick skin and will admit when I am mistaken or wrong. :sorry: :sorry:

Anyone care to talk engines? :D


I think it would be a good addition.. Most of the people on this forum aren't familiar with the west coast builders except for a few of the bigger ones.

I'm sure Wes will have his hands full until #1 is rigged and in the water, maybe after he gets some time on #1 he will join here and post some updates....

glassdave 12-05-2004 03:43 PM

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just got watching the video. great stuff and i am looking forward to seeing one of these. looks like a nice operation and very professional. i'm sure we will be seeing alot from Trident in the future. :cool:

Froggystyle 12-06-2004 04:27 PM

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Thanks for the good words folks.

Info is right, I would hate to come on here as a "new to you" guy on the forums and start spamming our boat, so I will leave that alone. I answered a few questions about the infusion process itself on the tech section, so I don't need to repeat it here and sound like a repeating jackass.

As I told Hot Boat magazine during a recent interview... this isn't new. NASA has been using it for years. ;) Some bigger builders with far more expensive boats are delving into the resin infusion process, and that is great to see. Genmar is also doing some stuff with it, but that, from what I understand is using a male/female mold as well, and with a very, very simple hull design.

This method looks to be delivering quite a large number of benefits to us, not the least of which is approximately 1/3 the resin used of a wet layup, and nearly 1/4 the weight of some close competition per square foot of boat.

Before I get flamed for total weight comparisons with hulls, you must remember to add interior weight and floors. My wife and I picked up the deck ourselves the other day. My guess is that it weighs less than 350 pounds. Hull is no more than 750 at the big end.

Thanks for the interest, I am going back to building this thing. Thanks for posting the link Info... you are a good man.

Talk to you all later,

Wes

T2x 12-06-2004 05:43 PM

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Very impressive...but am I missing something here? Why would you go to all this trouble and expense...to save weight on a deck boat?...Isn't that kind of like the world's lightest station wagon?

T2x

jordy 12-06-2004 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by T2x
Very impressive...but am I missing something here? Why would you go to all this trouble and expense...to save weight on a deck boat?...Isn't that kind of like the world's lightest station wagon?

T2x

Not with an EFI quad rotor 572 and a dual jet drive. Should get across the lake pretty good. :D


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