Cig Cafe 36 CC compared to the Monza 34'
 

Somewhere in another thread I read that the 34' Monza uses the same mold as the Cig. I wonder if anyone can confirm or deny that.

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The true owner of the 9'6" beam cigarette mold has been a question I've asked several people. I even sent Monza an email asking them that very question. No response. There were so many knock off molds produced from the original that the truth of what actually happened to the original is kinda fuzzy. That's a bit of an ellusive question. Does Monza have it? maybe. I've never been able to get an aswer that satisfied my curiosity, so I gave up.

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:cool: I saw him making the mold many years ago, the cig 33/36 has been produced by Avanti,dakota,midnight, and a zillion others.

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The 33 Cig CC was originally from Ocean Hawk ... there's another thread in here not too long ago that covered it pretty well .... not sure about the 9'6" beam though ....

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I've never heard of Ocean Hawk. Do they build a good boat?? I did a search on the web for Ocean Hawk boats and nothing came up. Does anyone know their web site

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So the hull Dakota uses is from the Cig Cafe??

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Ron dollar had an Ocean Hawk, Cherokee laid up one for Cig late 90's , its not 9-6. A school boy named Phil had the molds for awhile but the last name escapes me. If you measure the old cigs they should max out a 9-2"

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The 33 Cafe was and is the same boat as the Ocean Hawk then and now; and not a 9'6" beam(8'4"?). Never was a Cig design. I don't know that the actual Monza mold was a Cig mold...just the bottom design, and even that was modified a little in '03. Both boats are great runners... I've enjoyed both.
Ocean Hawk has a HUGE cuddy cabin w/head, vanity,v-berth, and some even had AC. Cockpit/Console are a bit more narrow and console is biased toward the rear because of the large cabin, in comparison to the Monza. The Monza console very wide, offering great protection, as well as roominess inside for head/shower. Monza also has large/deep "L" shaped aft seating for 4.
Hugh/Offshore

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All These C.c Out On The Market Like Monza, Carrera (the Old Ones) Renegades, Zero Tolerance And So On Some Way Or The Other Have Something To Do With The Old Classic 28 Open Cig. We Had One; What A Boat

Donz Jr Mike

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Hugh have you ridden in a Monza 34'?

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Wait til Jay Pilini at Spectre powerboats debut's his new 34 CC. Spectre's 24 is a great boat & the 34 will be even better.

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My understanding is that when Byng Goode left Cig to form the original Midnite Express he took the 36Ft/9'6" mold with him and called it a 37'. Some how Jenkins @ Black Thunder got the mold and stretched it to 43' to make the Black Thunder 43GT. The BT bottom evolved from a straight deep vee to twin steps in '97. Look at the deck lines of an old ME and a 43 BT. The resemblance is unnerving. Joe Murray

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the 33 cig cafe cc was originally sold as a 33 OceanHawk centerconsole. Cigarette leased the molds for several years and sold them as a 33 cafe open. Craig Barrie came up with the new name for this project.

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I talked with Phil Cardilli at the 2004 Miami show and was told that they (Ocean Hawk) built the boats and Cigarette finished them with their emblems.
I am going to post the phone number for Ocean Hawk from the brochure because I do not now if you can view the attachment with a basic.
305-787-8484
786-514-0279

LOA 36
Beam 8'2"
Deadrise 24 Degrees
Fuel 250 Gallons
Water 25 Gallons
Dry Weight 6,500lbs

Boat had a bigger cabin then Concept and a flush head.
Allso had a nice feature if you are going to do any fishing or if the water gets rough and enters the cockpit it had scuppers so the water could exit.

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OceanHawk powerboats has been building boats since the 1980's. Phil Cardelli has always owned the molds and the company. He builds a quality boat and has a honest reputation in the boating industry. He is located in North Miami, Florida and will talk to anybody that calls him.

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I had a long talk with Richie Powers at the Monza booth several years ago in Miami at the boat show. He told me the 34 was derived from the old wide-body Cig 36 race mold; its beam was not quite 9 1/2'.
Richie left the company not long after that, and the company has since changed hands.- anyone seen him lately? He was one of the greatest at the sticks in offshore racing ........

I like the looks of the Monza, the Concept has plenty of flash, and the Carrera is also a proven race hull, but when I go hunting for a CC, my money is going into a Manta . ;)
Jim

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jafo!! Long time no post, see, hear from!! Do you still have the AT? If so I know someone who might be interested in buying it if you wanna sell.

Don't be such a stranger!!!

Mike

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Not sure if this thread is still active, but Oceanhawk's web page is http://www.oceanhawkpowerboats.com

I have one being built right now. It is an awesome boat and they are great to deal with. I considered Concept, Donzi, Monza, Fountain, Triton, more and Oceanhawk has the best built and designed boat out there. One of the best features you dont see on a boat this size are a usable cabin. This one has it without sacrificing any space. Remember this is a true 33 ft boat, not like Donzi's 35 (31' hull), or Fountain's 31 (29' hull), Concept's 36 (33 Hull), Monza and Marlago's 35 (33' hull). Also, most only perform good at one or two things, but the Ocean hawk can be set up however you want it.

If you are really looking for this style boat you should consider the Oceanhawk. Don't get too caught up on the Cigarette Emblem that was on this same boat in 1997-2002, because they were built like crap. Oceanhawk did not build them, they only leased the molds.

Please contact Phil or Joe Walker at the number on the web page. You won't be disappointed.

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fancy meeting you here jimmy. phil is a class act and so are you! hope all is well hope to see you next week.jimmy marine shop maintains both my boats i reccomend him highly......m.m.....................

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The 33' OceanHawk derived from Byng's 32' Midnite Express, which derived from a 28' Cigarette, which derived from a 27' Magnum. 8' beam is how they began life, then 8' 2" without the rubrail, which became 8' 4" with the rubrail...on many of this original hull's newer versions, that many, many, company's, since the seventies, have called their own. Ed :drink:

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Ed you are wrong. the OceanHawk design was not from Midnight Express. It was designed from scratch and was not splashed from any other hull design. Jim

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I might have slighted Cigarette in an earlier post and I didn't mean to. They also made a decent open boat, but I was only slighted because of a used one I looked at wasnt taken care of by the owner. The boat saw extreme wear and tear and wasn't in good cosmetic shape. I am sure construction wise the boat was constructed like all Cigarettes, built like a brick you know what.

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But what about the rumored Cigarette center console that's supposed to debut at this year's Ft. Lauderdale boat show?

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I also hear that Richie is back at Monza and he'll be offering a 39" CC shortly.
ck

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The Oceanhawk was actually made from the Midnight hull, which was made from the Corsa 30. They stretched the molds and added to the hull sides in order to increase the freeboard. Phil has been around boats for 40 years and he has perfected this one.

My father and went on a sea trial on the Ocean Hawk 33 this weekend. What an awesome ride, even in the moderately rough intercoastal today. The boat was equipped with the 275 Verados. The engines were very quiet, smooth and powerful. I have never been in a Verado boat and was very surprised on how quiet these motors are. When I got on the boat, I was looking around the boat and didn't even realize the engines were running. The throttle response was excellent. We cruised comfortably at 40mph and 4000 rpm, topping in the low 60's. All that and the boat wasn't completely dialed in yet.

The boat ran extremely well with these engines. I would've thought with the added weight in the rear that the boat would've felt stern heavy, but it didn't. What surprised me most is that the boat came onto plane without any effort or bow rise, and that was not even using the K-planes. Even with the added weight of four people and a half tank of fuel, the boat held plane down to slow speed without tabs. I am only 5'7" and I never lost the horizon over the bow.

It is also very nice to take out a boat and have a normal conversation at 40+ mph and barely hear the engines. I sure wish I could come up with a little extra cash to upgrade to Verados, but 250's will have to do for now.

I am moving up from an 8.8 Meter Fountain. As much as I love my Fountain, I am ready to move into an open boat. My father, who is paranoid on my boat felt very comfortable on the Oceanhawk. He rode in the back, both standing and sitting and also on the console seat. He felt secure on the boat even when it got a little choppy. He can't wait until I get mine to take him out.

If you are considering a boat of this style you should check the Oceanhawk out. You won’t be disappointed. If anyone has any questions about the boat or sea trial, please post them and I will try to answer them.

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the website for oceanhawk is www.oceanhawkpowerboats.com

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Did you get you 33 O/H yet ?

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The last time i saw the ocean hawk molds they were at that small glass shop two doors down form Pantera. They were leasing them from phil.

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Is the 30 foot vice going to be the platform for upcoming center consoles from Cigarette?

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hi, i am in the market for a boat in the 30-36 foot range i want a decent size cabin, and im lookin for a very good build quality. what are some recommedations. thank you

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If you look in the current/ Oct issue of the Dupont Registry, you will see a Ocean Hawk advertisement picturing what seems to be an older Grafikworx painted Lip-Ship edition Cigarette 33.

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I have taken delivery of My Oceanhawk 33. I've had it since June and it is awesome. A much better Bay boat than the Fountain was. It takes the water so much better than I would have ever thought. Believe me, the Fountain was tough, but you and your crew also had to be when it got choppy. The Oceanhawk is unbelievable in rough and choppy water.

We were out crossing the bay one Sunday afternoon. There were no other boats in the bay due to the conditions and we cruised across at 40mph plus. We came back running 50+ and the boat cut the waves like a knife. If I were in the Fountain, I would have turned back at the mouth of the river and would have never crossed. the three others I had on the boat we equally complimentary of the performance all of which who had been in the Fountain. I lost 7 mph going to this boat, but I wouldn't trade it for anything.

pm203...Oceanhawk has started advertising in the Dupont Registry. That is not an older Cigarette in the picture, it's an Oceanhawk. Cigarette leased the molds from Oceanhawk for 5 years, so the boats look the same. It is a Grafikworx paint job though. Powerboat Magazine tested the cigarette version a couple times and gave it rave reviews. Also, either Powerboat or Boating ran one from Miami to the Keys with many compliments. There have been many improvements to the post Cigarette Oceanhawk also.

canes9101...I would suggest that if you are in the market for a boat like this, that you consider the Oceanhawk. You won't be disappointed. The cabin is large and functional. I assume of course you are looking into this hull style? If you are looking for cabin only and not cruise speed, then you are on the wrong site. The Oceanhawk cabin is usable with a pumpout head, sink, two loveseats, v-berth and cedar hanging closet all standard. You also can outfit it with a DVD Player/Flatscreen, A/C, or as many options you want. Due to the raised deck there is actually enough headroom to sit up straight. Take a look at their website www.oceanhawkpowerboats.com

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Have you looked at the Deep Impact boats?.....
Fast, beamy, deep cockpit, big protective console, killer glass-work & finish detail,available gen/ac, in a cabin w/stand-up head/shower. Check-em out! Call w/any questions...
410-827-7854
Hugh

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P.S. They make a 33' and a 36'(which looks 38' when you're on it).
Hugh

What's the deal? This url redirects to All Star Marine? Have they hijacked Ocean Hawk's domain name? There is no mention of Ocean Hawk on their website?

Ocean Hawk 33
 

We are working on getting site back up, you can call Phil at 786-514-0279 or me at 561-723-2026. The boats are still in production and I stonrgly urge anyone to consider one.:ernaehrung004:

So jusmakinit,how should the 31 corsa i put together with 2 250 mercs on a 26 inch bracket run??? after reading all of the posts im lookig foward to it ,maybe next week? i have a 30 velocity with tripple 200 mercs now,goes 70 thanks and good luck with your new boat tripps

Ocean Hawk 33
 

check out www.oceanhawkboats.com

Ocean Hawk Website
 

check out: www.oceanhawkboats.com

it is old but I know they are updating it.

LOL