Marine Lubrication
I thought we should have one thread on nothing but oil and lubes and keep everything in one place for easy reference...so let the thread begin...
The most asked question are oil filter cross-reference..here is the list i can update it as time goes on. Oil Filter f/ most Mercruisers FYI:The thread type on the filter is 13/16-16. Fram: PH5, HP4, DG5, PH13 (no anti drainback) Pureolator: L34631 Purolator Pure One: PL34631 AC: PF1218, PF932 Motorcraft: FL-12A NAPA: 1060, 1060gold Wix: 51060 Wix Racing: 51060R, 51061R R= Racing K&N: HP3002 Baldwin: B1428 (Top Rated) Amsoil: SDF-24 Hastings: LF279 Fleetguard: LF3679 Mercruiser: 35-802885Q Mobil 1: M1-302 or M1-111 Kendall: K31 Penzoil: PZ45 Quaker State: QS5 Shell: S63, SH38 Texaco: T38, T38B Warner: PH1218 STP: S01218 Valvoline: V056 |
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I received a question today regarding which oils get up to temperature faster. Here is an opinion:
An engine will get up to operating temperature faster with a thicker oil because the oil doesn't absorb as much heat as quickly. So, the enigne is warmer faster because the oil isn't absorbing the heat. As the engine gets warmer, the oil will absorb more heat, but not as fast as thinner oil. A thinner oil will absorb more heat quicker, not allowing the engine to get up to temp as quickly. So, I think the answer to this question would depend on many variables. Engine, oil capacity, volume of oil being pumped, load on the engine, etc... One engine may get the oil up to temp quicker with a thin oil while another may get the oil up to temp quicker with a thicker oil. |
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Oil flow and pressure dynamics. I think we need to understand some of this to have intelligent discussions pertaining about oil pressures with various viscosity and types of oil so here goes:
I am going to bring up the constant flow pump concept. First, it goes back to the principal that doubling the pressure of the same weight oil does not exactly double the flow but it is close. Also doubling the RPM for the same reason does not exactly double the flow but again it is close. This shows the problem best: (A) For a 30 wt oil at operating temperature: RPM....Pressure..Flow 1,000......20 PSI....1 2,000......40 PSI....2 4,000......80 PSI....4 8,000... 160 PSI....8 The maximum flow because of the oil pop off valve at 90 PSI will be 5 (B) For a 30 wt oil at operating temperature and a higher output oil pump: RPM....Pressure..Flow 1,000......30 PSI....1.5 2,000......60 PSI....3 4,000....120 PSI....6 The maximum flow because of the oil pop off valve at 90 PSI will be 5 8,000... 240 PSI....12 If we stick with the same weight oil and increase the oil pump output we will increase the pressure and the oil flow too. If we double the oil pump output we will double the pressure and we will double the oil flow. |
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Additives available for use in an oil/lubes and what they do:
Here is a comprehensive list (best you'll find outside of the lab) of multifunctional additives and their functions. Notice the same chemicals and compounds perform more than one function. Multifunctional Additives (in Alphabetical Order) listed as to Functional Agent, additive category, general or specific chemical compound, and how it works, respectively. Antifoamants or foam inhibitors (Protective Additive): polymers such as silicone polymers and organic copolymers of the silaxane's; creates a lens that reduces the bubble's surface tension. Antioxidants or oxidation inhibitors (Protective Additive): ZDDP, ZTDC, Moly TDC, Antimony TDC, aromatic amines such as organic tolutriazoles, thiadiazoles, diphenylamines, olefin sulfides, carboxylic acids; decomposes peroxides and terminates free radical reactions. Increases temperature of base oil at which base oil may tend to oxidize. Oxidation of oil promotes polymerization of sludge particles and increases viscosity. Anti-Wear and Extreme Pressure Additives (Surface Protective Additive): ZDDP, ZTDC, Moly TDC, Antimony TDC, Organic Sulfur-Phosphorus-Nitrogen compounds, Borates and Borate Esters, Tricresyl Phosphates, amine phostphates, and other phosphate esters, Chlorine compounds, and lead diamylcarbamates, lead and barium naphthenates, sulfurized olefins; protective film interacts at various temperatures and pressures to provide either a plastic interface or to provide a compound which shears at the surface. Demulsifier (Performance Additive): hydroxyalkyl carboxylic esters, alkenlycarboxylic esters; keeps water separated from lubricant. Detergents (Surface Protective Additive): metallo-organic compounds of sodium, calcium, magnesium, boron phenolates, phosphates and sulfonates such as alkylbenzene sulfonic acids, alkylphenol sulfides, alkylsalacyclic acids; Lift deposits from surfaces to keep them suspended. Dispersants (Surface Protective Additive): Alkylsuccinimides, alkylsuccinic esters (alkenyl succinimides); chemical reaction with sludge and varnish precursors to keep them acid neutralized and to keep them soluble. Detergent-dispersants often are the same chemical or come in compounds to accomplish the combined function(s). Emulsifiers (Protective Additive): Polyisobutylenesuccinimides, alkenylsuccinate ester/salts. polyester amides, alkyl aminoesters; promotes a stable emulsion or mixture of oil and water. Friction Modifiers or Friction Reducers (Performance Additive): Organic fatty acids and amides, lard oil, high molecular weight organic phosphorus and phosphoric acid esters such as Tricresyl Phosphates, ZDDP, ZTDC, Moly TDC, Antimony TDC, family of diphenylamines and amides, and olefin sulfides. Reduces coefficient of friction formulated lubricant in the boundary lubrication regime. Some VII's also provide friction reduction. Metal Deactivator (Protective Additive): ZDDP, ZTDC, Moly TDC, Antimony TDC, family of diphenylamines and amides, and olefin sulfides, heterocyclic sulfur-nitrogen compounds; inhibits corrosive effects of oxygen with metals and decreases metal interaction with oxygen compounds to reduce oxidation of oil. Oxidation Inhibitors (See Antioxidants). Rust Inhibitor (Surface Protective Additive): Barium sulfonates, amine phosphates, phosphordithioates, sodium thizoles (for coolants), Pour Point Depressant (Performance Additive): polymethacrylates (PMA's); reducing wax crystal formation and increases solvency of oil at low temperatures. May be part of VII package. Seal Swell (Performance Additive): nitriles, specific esters, organic phosphates and aromatic hydrocarbons. Increases volume of elastomeric seals. Surfactants or Surface Active Agents (Protective Additive): family of diphenylamines and amides; usually part of the antioxidant package. Also provides enhanced friction reduction and allows oils to "climb" or spread on and over surfaces. Decreases but does not destroy surface tension Soot Control or Soot Inhibitor (Protective Additive for diesels): Organic Barium compounds; keeps soot in suspension. Usually part of the dispersant package in diesel formulations. Tackifiers (Performance Enhancement): copolymers of ethylene and propylene; helps oil cling to surfaces. Very useful in geared machines such as transmissions, differentials, and chains. Viscosity Index Improver or Viscosity Modifier (Performance Additive): Olefin copolymers (OCP's), hydrogentated styrene-diene copolymers, styrene esters, polymetharylates (PMA's), mixed alkyl methacrylate-vinyl-pyrrolidines, aminated ethylene propylene, mixed alkylmethacrylate ethylene/propylenes; reduces viscosity change with temperature. Increases viscosity of base oil as temperature rises when base oil tends to thin. Some VII's may also act as dispersants by incorporating dispersant compounds. |
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Oil Technical data 2005
This site is closed that i previously posted..so I will provide it as needed. |
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Bob's and others Oil abbreviations:
AB Alkylated Benzene ACEA Association of Constructors of European Automobiles ADBV Anti Drain Back Valve AN Alkylated Naphthalenes API American Petroleum Institute ASTM American Society for Testing and Materials ATF Automatic Transmission Fluid AW Anti-Wear Agents Auto-Rx Auto-Rx BC Belgian Castrol 5w40 Base Oil Groups link to Chevron page BITOG BobIsTheOilGuy forum COC Cleveland Open Cup COF Coefficient of Friction CR Compression Ratio D1 Delvac 1 synthetic HDEO DOHC Double OverHead Cams EP Extreme Pressure FP Fuel Power FM's Friction Modifiers GC German Castrol HDEO Heavy Duty Engine Oil HOAT Hybrid coolant, Hybrid Organic Acid Technology HTHS High-Temperature High-Shear LC Lube Control M1 Mobil 1 synthetic oil MMO Marvel Mystery Oil MoDTC Molybdenum DialkyldiThioCarbamate Moly Molybdenum MTF Manual Transmission Fluid ND Non Detergent motor oil OCI Oil Change Interval OHC OverHead Cam OHV OverHead Valve PCMO Passenger Car Motor Oil PAO PolyAlphaOlefin POE PolyOlEster PCV Positive Crankcase Ventilation PTFE PolyTetraFluoroEthylene(TEFLON) QS Quaker State motor oil RP Royal Purple motor oil RBOT Rotating Bomb Oxidation Test RTS Rotella T Synthetic 5w-40 SAE Society of Automotive Engineers SbTDC Antimony DialkyldiThioCarbamate SX-UP/Sucks-Up SX-UP/Sucks-Up TAN Total Acid Number TBN Total Base Number TSB Technical Service Bulletin TOST Turbine Oxidation Stability Test UOA Used Oil Analysis VOA Virgin Oil Analysis VI Viscosity Index VII Viscosity Index Improvers ZDDP Zinc Dialkyl Dithiophosphate Z-Oil German Castrol(GC) |
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Oil Filter company #'s
Filter Companies contact number: AC Delco: 1-800-233-3526 Punch 1, then 4. Baldwin: 1-800-882-5394 Punch 1, then 2. Champ: 1-800-882-0890 Direct line Donaldson: 1-800-374-1374 Punch 2 for cross ref, punch 3 for technical Fleetguard: 1-800 223-4583 Punch 1 for cross ref, punch 3 for technical Fram: 1-800-890-2075 Punch 1 Purolator: 1-800-526-4250 Direct line Wix: 1-800-949-6698 Punch 4 |
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Who makes what filter?
Updated List; Fram Fram Extra Guard (std) Fram Tough Guard (different media?) Fram X2 (Silicone ADBV, Fuzzy media) Fram Extended Guard(same as the X2) Mileguard (Jiffy) Honda (although some are alleged to be made by Filtech) Chrysler line up except for the Cummins Penzoil Deffense Canadian Tire Champion Labs Bosch Car and Driver Deutsch Mobil 1 STP SuperTech K&N Valvoline filters Mighty Service Champ Lee AutoZone Value Craft Some AC Delco VW (some) Warner Luberfiner Trust Wix Carquest blue Carquest red Napa Gold Napa Silver (lower quality with nitrile ADBV) Kralinator (in Canada) ALLIANCE (Freightliner aftermarket) Purolator (Arvin Meritor) Purolator premium plus (nitrile adbv) Purolator Pure One (silicone adbv, different media) Havoline Maxlife Valvoline (some) Group7 Promotive Powerflow Quaker State (less media) Advanced Auto Total Grip. (less media) Pep Boys Pro Line MotorCraft Superflo Denso Toyota Mann+Hummel Mann Volvo Clarcor Baldwin Hastings Amsoil Casite |
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