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Which would you use
I'm thinking of buying a brand new boat with a set of HP 500's. These motors are gonna be a little weak for the weight and size of the boat so I'm thinking of going with either a set of procharger or whipple.
Being the motors are almost new (couple of hours) I'm looking to get some insight on both chargers to determine which I should get. My local dealer swears by procharger for the 500 and says the whips have a lot of problems. I've read the posts and cant really make a positive call on either. Looking for any experiences out there to better my decision. And are there any dealer for either you reccommend in the Northeast as I'm not planning on doing the instal myself. |
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The HP500 is an excellent candidate for supercharging, but there is another supercharging option for you to consider. Talk to Dean at Nickerson Performance (215) 781-1370. The carb setup is very important and he has got it down pat. Dean is a dealer for Rtech Performance and can show you our supercharging system featuring a Vortech centrifugal blower and our low restriction intercooler setup. He has this on his personal boat engine, a 498 with solid cam and ported heads making 950 HP. On an HP500 with lower boost, standard cam and standard heads it makes over 800 HP. Good luck! Tom Robinson www.rtechperformance.com (416) 709-8714 |
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I'd go with Tomcat's system myself, but I would defenitly want to go with a Vortech charger. The incorporate a much better fuel managment system then the Pro Chargers do and their customer service is the best in the buisness which is less then I can say for Procharger. I was installing a Vortech kit on an HP500 for a customer and realized that the air filter was missing from the kit the day the customer was scheduled to pick up the boat, it wasn't my fuelt the part was missing but we had had the kit in stock for about 2 weeks and I should have checked alot sooner, Bob Endress from Vortech drove 6 hours roundtrip to bring me the part so we could deliver the boat as promised. That's customer service.
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Originally Posted by hillbilly24
I'd go with Tomcat's system myself, but I would defenitly want to go with a Vortech charger. The incorporate a much better fuel managment system then the Pro Chargers do and their customer service is the best in the buisness which is less then I can say for Procharger. I was installing a Vortech kit on an HP500 for a customer and realized that the air filter was missing from the kit the day the customer was scheduled to pick up the boat, it wasn't my fuelt the part was missing but we had had the kit in stock for about 2 weeks and I should have checked alot sooner, Bob Endress from Vortech drove 6 hours roundtrip to bring me the part so we could deliver the boat as promised. That's customer service.
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Originally Posted by hillbilly24
Bob Endress from Vortech drove 6 hours roundtrip to bring me the part so we could deliver the boat as promised. That's customer service.
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I had seen that setup before but it seemed that there would need to be clearance made in the decklid for those chargers and I wanted something to keep the original padded decklid in tact.
Ive been following the whipple info on hear and it appears they are really not all that on the ball as far as having product and getting answers from. The fight with lysolm and all but I didn't know that procharger was the same story. The whipple site offers a set up for the hp 500 but from what I'm told you cant get it right now. The last builder I spoke with said to run away from whipple and go with procharger but i'm guessing its just a personal opinion of everyone so i"m baffled. |
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I had seen that setup before but it seemed that there would need to be clearance made in the decklid... |
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I did a LOT of research on this before deciding to just modify my engine...
In my opinion: The Whipple is an ok unit with HUGE amounts of low end torque. But what good does the Torque do if you can never use it because you have to "ease"" into the throttle to save your drives?? Pretty much the only customer service is Dustin who is excellent...if you can get a hold of him.. The Procharger fuel system for an EFI engine leaves a LOT to be desired..An FMU is a band aid at best...You can always get a hold of someone in customer service but very few know anything.... The Vortech system (or the Rtech if you have room) with bigger injectors and a re-mapped ECU makes the most sense to me. I was given Bob Endress's cell phone number when I called Vortech with some questions. He spent about an hour on the phone with me answering ALL of my questions and it turns out he was at the PWC World Championships at the time but still took time out for me!!! Doug |
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Originally Posted by Boatally Insane
I did a LOT of research on this before deciding to just modify my engine...
In my opinion: The Whipple is an ok unit with HUGE amounts of low end torque. But what good does the Torque do if you can never use it because you have to "ease"" into the throttle to save your drives?? Pretty much the only customer service is Dustin who is excellent...if you can get a hold of him.. The Procharger fuel system for an EFI engine leaves a LOT to be desired..An FMU is a band aid at best...You can always get a hold of someone in customer service but very few know anything.... The Vortech system (or the Rtech if you have room) with bigger injectors and a re-mapped ECU makes the most sense to me. I was given Bob Endress's cell phone number when I called Vortech with some questions. He spent about an hour on the phone with me answering ALL of my questions and it turns out he was at the PWC World Championships at the time but still took time out for me!!! Doug Bob Endress is great to deal with, he will give his cell # to anyone and he always answers it and doesn't hangup until the problem is resolved, he doesn't ask you to check some stuff and call him back, he waits on the phone while you do it so you know he's not going anywhere. Alot of people in te industry could learn alot about customre service from him. |
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One thing I can say from experience is Dustin will answer emails within a day. And if you can get his product, nothing else compares IMHO.
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:Bob Endress from Vortech drove 6 hours roundtrip to bring me the part so we could deliver the boat as promised. That's customer service.[/QUOTE]
He probably just needed to get away from the Ol'lady :D |
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I run the Pro Charger it performs well but I will agree that all the fuel set-up and ECM were up to me and the tuner.I had a hard time getting any answers. Thanks to Arizona Speed and Marine. Sorted out injectors, ECM, etc.
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So basically if I cant fit the vortech which it seems I cant the whipple has the best ease of use. The procharger as an item is as good or similar but has less then stellar ecu issues and may require more in depth tuning by someone who knows what they're doing as opposed to the whipple which from what I'm reading is pretty much plug and play so to speak. Am I getting the right read on this?
I asked around locally and nobody here seems to be able to even get the whipple for a 500 efi right now. Any truth to that? |
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Yes, I have heard that there is a shortage of Whipples right now...
So why doesn't the Vortech fit??? Doug http://www.vortechmarine.com/images/...oducts_01a.jpg HP500 EFI Superchargering System Power Available: » 700 HP @ 5400 RPM on 91 octane pump gasoline » 716 lb./ft. @ 4400 RPM on 91 octane pump gasoline » Higher horsepower applications are also available Features: » The reliable and complete HP500 EFI supercharger system » Reprogrammed ECM for supercharged operation » Rev-limiter set @ 5700 RPM » Retains stock cooling system and proper cold start cycle » Fully serviceable aftercooler » Pressurized supercharger oiling for the long fear and bearing life » Precision high-speed bearings » OEM fit and finish » All engine accessories retain stock locations » Cast aluminum discharge ducts and Purosil silicone discharge hose connections » Billet anodized mounting brackets » Aluminum Flame Arrestor housing with washable, reusable element » Fits serpentine drives as well as three V-accessory engines |
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I am wondering if others find the Whipple blower whine, or shall I say scream, a bit too loud? Actually irritating...you cannot hear the exhaust at all. Maybe it has something to do with being only a few feet in front of the Harwood scoop. :D The engine (an HP500) does make good power though!!
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Originally Posted by SFOcean
I am wondering if others find the Whipple blower whine, or shall I say scream, a bit too loud? Actually irritating...you cannot hear the exhaust at all. Maybe it has something to do with being only a few feet in front of the Harwood scoop. :D The engine (an HP500) does make good power though!!
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Thank you for the reply, the idea of baffling the scoop had come up, guess it could just be removed and a new hatch made!
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