Arneson Surface Drives/ Hull / HP / Speed ??
 

I just recently purchased a pair of Arneson #6 drives to couple to a pair of rebuilt 557's / 660 hp, 720 ft lb (6000 rpm) in a 31' Offshore V hull with no steps. I need help with what props to run and I wanted to hear about other setups with arnesons and your opinions of them. :D :D :D

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Did you get the Bravo to Arneson conversion?

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Call Rik at Arneson

Arneson-industries.com

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I ran a asd 6 in a twin turbo diesel checkmate & used a 18x29 4 blade.kinda unique but I had toooooo many times get the actuators resealed.Also props cost to much so do your math and get it right the first time.

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Well, mine aren't Arnies, but the info my help. 302 Formula, warmed over 468's with Kaama drives. I run a 16.5x26 prop. Top speed is 78.6. This is a heavy boat.

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Doug, Yes they are the Bravo to Arneson conversion. I've been talking to Rik at Arneson and I feel pretty comfortable, I just want to see what other boats are running for props, cause there some damn expensive. With the Bravos I had four sets of props.

CUDA - I'm suprised to see you here, I'm usually LMAO in UC at you guys, Thankyou for the information. Whats that 302 weigh in at ? Did you have to lower your motors?

Drgnrydr, what are the actuators? what year were those drives?

Caveman is that your Sutphen for sale with arnesons? if so, what does it run?

I won't receive these drives for another couple of weeks

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Mine came from the factory with the surface drives. If you look real hard at the transom, you can barely make out where it must have had holes for a different exhaust. I think they were actually higher than the one's it has now.

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5400 rpm 117mph.



Its A Hustler from the dinasaur days.


Respectfully named CAVEMAN. Not because I,m Hairy :eek:

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Caveman I want a dinasour 117 !!! I'm frickin blown away. Sorry, I've got a bad memory, wrong boat
I have a lot of questions for you.
Did your Hustler come with that setup?
Whats that boat weigh?
What props?
HP?
How does it handle?

Caveman I need your help, cause I wanna go that fast :evilb: :evilb:

Cuda when I talked to Rik at Arneson he said I may have to lower my motors, my little brain did'nt think that I would have to lower my exhausts as well.

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7500lbs

Factory rigged
1.33 ratio
32 merc 4 blades
dont know hp never dynoed
540, intercooled blown 10.lbs boost

Handles great. with just a little tab.

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Very aggressive looking backend there, somewhat prehistoric... :D

Bet that makes for great swimming off the back of the boat... :D

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1999 388 Hustler approx 900 hp Bravo to Arneson conversion 16 x 34's 5 blade.Tried 17 x 33's 4 blade & 15.25 x 34's 5 blade. Bullet proof

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CAVEMANWhat diamater are those 32 merc 4 blades?

Does anyone have extra props laying around for the arnesons??

DOUG Tell me more, I do know that you own the boat that I want !! Speed?, Motors? ,RPM?,Handling? and why did you switch drives?

Thanks
Jud :drink: :drink: :drink:

GO BRONCOS

I have a pair of 2005 bravo ones for sale complete with everything only 12 hrs on them.

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16.75 anything over they hit each others tips.

Rik made me shaft adapters to run any merc props.

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Are there any boat manufacturers that install Arneson surface drives as standard equipment ?

Caveman I think your drives are closer together than what mine will be. ??
So what boat are you going to buy, if you sell yours?
Have you had any problems with those drives or steering combo setup?
How long have you owned that boat


I don't think my hull is near as effecient as others. With 500 hp per side on bravo ones 1.5 gear ratio with 24 Hydros we could only get 78

So with that info were will we be? New hp 660

??? 117 - 78 = alot more money

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I have a pair or mint 17X 28 4 blades that I am selling at a great price.These came off a Kaama Drive boat and are the 19 spline long Hub props.

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[QUOTE=JShoup]Are there any boat manufacturers that install Arneson surface drives as standard equipment ?
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Check with Hustler. They've been doing for years...almost since cavemen been around.

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Jud
The boat dosn't belong to me.It's a customer of mine.We installed the Arneson Drive's drives last spring.
Every engine oil change we had to do something to the drives also,at that time the motors were 750hp.My customer decided to add the drives for more reliability and at that point added intercoolers.We did the Poker Run Miami to KW in november beat on them no problem.You may be supprised what these will do for your boat they handle well,if I were setting up a Big HP boat this would be the way I would go.
Doug

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I have several of these props I will take 1500 a pair
Got 28,s got 26,s got 30,s.

Just sold the Boat dont need them.


Gerry

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Are there any calculations that I could run to determine which props I'll need? We tried to do that last year when we went from 454s to 502s. I was told we would go up 3 prop sizes, we ended up back with the same props after all the testing.

Caveman - Congratulations, whats your next one gonna be?
Did you let the prop shaft adapters go with the boat? If not, I'll buy them. I take a pair or two of your props but I don't know were I'm going to be yet.

32storm- Whats your boat have in it?

Fishead - I may be interested, what are you looking to get out of those?

Doug - So every oil change you had to repair something on the drives? Tell me more

Jud

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I would like to get 2500 for the pair.They retail for 4700 each on Mercruiser parets .com

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Jud
I was refering to the Bravo XR's that were on it.

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502 MPI's with B-1's

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Fishead I think I'll have to take Cavemans props but thanks

Doug Thats great news, I thought you were talking about the arnesons. Thankyou for all of the info. I can't wait to get started on the install. Did you put those on? If so how hard was it?

Caveman I sent you an email

32 Storm Hows it run

Oh those #@$%$%^ Broncos :mad:

Jud

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You should call me .502-292-3067

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Runs great....turn the key and go. Very reliable combo. A little more HP would be nice, but no matter how much, it's still never enough.

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Doug I keep missing you, but I'll try again.

Caveman I'm still interested in a set of props

32 Storm How fast is not fast enough? :D :D :D

Another 2 weeks before the drives are ready :eek:

Jud

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I sold one set already.

I dont think you are looking for 19 spline wheels.

What spline and shaft size do you have?


Gerry

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Caveman You are right, I need 26 tooth spline Props (SSM#6)

Doug Hey, Its was good talking with you. I'll need to pick your brain alot more in the coming month. Thanks :D :D

32 Storm You're exactly right, I keep thinking that this setup in a different hull would really make a difference ???? Never Enuf :drink: :drink:

Any other boats running Arnesons??

Jud

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Any other boats out there that are running Arnesons??

Snows getting deep here

:drink: :drink: :drink:
Jud

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Been lurking a while - finally posting - Hello All!

yup - I have ASD8 on my beast of a boat...it is a Harley 42 and weighs in the 16-18k lbs range - twin 502 carbs with about 425hp. Motors are 4-plus feet forward of the transom and fuel and water forward of that.

I am still screwing around with prop testing since my repower a year ago. Props are hard to find and very spendy....rediculous. Current props are old 3 blade rolla props with 17-inch diameter and 18 inch pitch and heavy cup - little or no rake. I get 40 mph at 4000 rpm but cant get to my WOT range of 5000 rpm - best I get is 4200.

I could use a pair of cleavered 4-5-6 blade 16x20 - 19tooth but I dont think they exist - budget is really tight - 2 in college.

Ideally - a local shop with a bunch I can test to find the best setup would be awesom....anyone know of one in Fort Lauderdale area?

Cheers

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or less pitch - not sure yet.

BTW - for those of you have have not used surface drives - it is an all-or-nothing proposition - I think Cuda said it best - 8mph or 80mph - nothing in between. so if your goal is to run in rough seas at speeds that don't beat you to death ... there is no middle ground and these drives may not be what you want.

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You should have no problem with the boat though your speed range if you have the correct propeller and reducton ratio.

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Hey Rik how are ya? - no negatives meant in the above comment - I just find that my boat will not do 18mph if I want it to due to bad seas ... it's fast or slow. Probably a function of wrong props and too heavy a boat ... since I've tried with drives and tabs down - there is no slow cruise.

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Actually, it will run about 10 mph, and then isn't happy until at least 36. It will stay on a plane at a lower speed, if you want to fool with it. If you try to run faster than ten without getting on a plane, it will just cavitate, which is fine if you are getting up. It's like a slingshot effect. It will rev to about 4500 cavitating, then you'll feel it grab, and come up. Maybe a Bravo will plane faster, I don't know, but at 100 yards, I'll guarantee I'll be ahead of the Bravo boat with similar weight and power.

All and all, I really love the surface drives. You hear people say they don't handle well at low speed, which is way overblown. They handle fine going forward, now backing up is a bit problematic, besides, who buys a boat because of it's superior low speed handling? :)

I've had my boat over three years now, I changed one boot when I bought it, and other than that, I have done absolutely nothing to them other than change the oil.

I'm going to miss this boat if I sell. :(

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For what you want, you need a differnet propeller size and reduction ratio.

Then you will be a happier boater.

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I think prop selection is critical. I have too much transom lift with five blade props on my Pulsedrive - hoping four blade props cure it. On the plus side, I can get on plane instantly. Low speed handling/reversing is excellent. Like Cuda, I can't just run up to 25 mph. I have to run up to 35 mph and then back down to 25. Try explaining THAT to your wife while tubing your 10 year old niece. :rolleyes: