Rotor Replacement Help!
 

I am going to replace my cap and rotor on my Stock big block merc distributor(1989) and have seen some posts on here about gluing the rotor on. Is that the correct procedure? What type of glue should be used? How do you get the old one off without breaking something (assuming it is glued on)?
Please Help!

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TBIV ignition? Tuff to get off, huh! I just put a chisel to it and broke it off. Then I sanded the shaft down so a new rotor would fit snugly but stll come off. I didn't use glue on the new one.

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No glue :eek:

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Naw, 4 years since last rotor replacement and everything is fine. It's a snug fit, though. If you're concerned put some blue loctite on the shaft.

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Blue locktite for sure, if it starts moving around it eats the plastic inside the rotor quickly and your timing starts jumping all over. If your timing marks arent steady and stable, it probably the rotor.

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merc no longher recomends locktite on the rotor

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What about dielectric grease on the shaft?

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The problem is the plastic ribs inside the rotor bore wear and the rotor starts to move on the shaft. When this happens the timing jumps around. The merc manual says to pull the distributor and do it upside down so there is no chance of locktite running down the shaft and locking the shaft but ive always done it in place, just be careful and dont use too much. Im sure if merc backed off on its recommendation of locktite it was becasue of people using too much and locking the shaft to the dist . Do what you will but after a year, check timing and if its jumping around, the rotor is loose. BTDT.

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Is there a better cap and rotor than the stock delco parts ?
I checked jegs and summit and no luck.
Any thoughts?

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Whats the recommendation now?

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put on dry, Ive never had a problem and tune up 200+ boats a year

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Since when does the rotor control the timing of the engine? That is the job of the points, or magnetic pickup, or crank trigger, whatever type of triggering system your particular engine has. The position of the rotor determines phasing, not timing. Phasing refers to the position of the rotor in relation to the plug terminal inside the cap at the moment the coil discharges.

I replaced the stock Delco cap and rotor on my HP500EFI with parts from MSD.

Larry

62 Bel-Air 409

260 Eagle XP HP500EFI

2002 Corvette M-6 Coupe

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Since the pickup trigger is attached to the rotor. If it is allowed to move in relation to the distributor shaft, the timing moves around too. See it all the time. Not on new parts but on used.

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timing is described as the timming of the spark in relation to the position on the piston


the relationship or position of the rotor to the dist cap IS what controls the timing or when a particular cycliner is fired in relation to the piston position, the trigger or points control the length and when a spark is fired in essence all control timming

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So following your line of thinking, how does the timing change from inital to full advance? The rotor mounts to the top of the distributor shaft, which drives off the cam, which is driven by the crank. All a mechanical link. The rotor and timing ARE independent of each other.

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You can't have it both ways. Either the rotor controls timing or the trigger mechcanisim controls timing. And believe me, it aint the rotor, just sends spark to the approiate terminal, the trigger determines when. Haven't seen a distributor yet that can contol the length of a spark, an MSD box can extend the duration up to about 3000 rpm. Suggest you go to the MSD site, and read the article regarding rotor phasing, perhaps this will help you to understand what is going on inside the distributor.

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Maybe you are to young to remember points in a distributor. you could adjust the length of time the points stayed open (dwell) there by adjusting the length of the spark.
If the rotor is loose on the distributor shaft, it could act just like a mechanical advance without the springs.That is why the timing would be irratic.

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The rotor on a mechanical advance distributor moves with the advance trigger wheel or cam so as to not affect rotor phasing. It does not have any real effect on ignition timing. The total time for a spark to jump the gap between the rotor and the dist. cap is measured in milliseconds. having the rotor move back or forward slightly from it's indexed position will not affect timing by any more than a few milliseconds but will have a large effect on secondary firing voltage.( "firing voltage" ) Having the rotor phased too late or early can cause crossfires between cylinders but it has to be a long way out of position for that to happen.
Dwell adjustment changes the charging time of the ignition coil, not the "lenght of the spark" actually called "burn time". Too short of a dwell time will undercharge the coil and cause a low firing voltage and short burn time if any but too long of a dwell will not cause a longer burn time than the combustion pressure,fuel mixture, rotor to cap gap and spark plug gap and total secondary resistance will require to form the arc.

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You have obviously never worked with a Merc T-4 ignition. The trigger and rotor are together. The box controls the advance. If the trigger moves around if relation to the dist. shaft, the timing moves around too. If you dont believe me. I have a bunch of old rotors you can put on a t-4 and watch the timing marks on the balancer jump around.