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MILD THUNDER 02-06-2007 05:24 PM

Kaama to TRS?
 
Is it possible to convert a boat that came with Kaama Drives to a TRS setup? How much of a hassle would it be?? Thanks, M.T.

cuda 02-06-2007 05:38 PM

Re: Kaama to TRS?
 
I think you have to change the height of the engine, not sure if it has to move forward or back, but why would anyone want to change? If you know someone that is, let me know. I'd like to have a spare housing. A Trs would lose at least 10 mph over the Kaama. Don't get me wrong, I have a Trs in the 22 Donzi, and I love not having to worry about breaking a drive, but it's no comparison to running my Formula with Kaamas.:cool:
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Payton 02-06-2007 05:38 PM

Re: Kaama to TRS?
 
I would consider a change to Konrad before TRS. I have no idea if there would be any glass work involved with either. I would think the engine and trans could stay right where they are. So that isa plus.

I understand the parts are pretty generic for Kamma drives. Why would you want to swap them?

MILD THUNDER 02-06-2007 08:17 PM

Re: Kaama to TRS?
 
the seller wants to keep the kaamas for his other boat. konrads would be nice, but I dont want to spend 20k for a pair of drives for an old boat. LOL, the drives would be worth more than the boat.

Audiofn 02-06-2007 08:45 PM

Re: Kaama to TRS?
 
If you need TRS then I am selling a pair.

Jon

IRONMAN 02-06-2007 09:25 PM

Re: Kaama to TRS?
 
I have seen a boat that someone had changed from Kaama's to bravos and did a terrible job. There are several big hurdles. The Kaamas usually had twindisc drop center transmissions that won't work with TRS or Konrad. The Kaama hole is typically very low and would need to be completely filled. And many other issues. I think that the level of diffuculty would be similar no matter what drives you changed it too (except non drop center Arnesons).

MILD THUNDER 02-06-2007 10:02 PM

Re: Kaama to TRS?
 
I actually thought the same thing after looking at how low the hole in the transom is with the Kaamas compared to a trs or bravo. Darn!

Donzi502 02-07-2007 03:09 AM

Re: Kaama to TRS?
 
10 years to late to be buying TRS the way i see it. I have only ever seen broken ones or just about broken ones. Either way the same result. B.O.A.T. Bring out another thousand!!. Jas

IRONMAN 02-07-2007 07:00 AM

Re: Kaama to TRS?
 
You may want to consider changing the boat to whatever type of drives that a similar newer model from the same manufacturer would use. That would probably be the least expensive route and provide the best resale if it is a really good hull to begin with. And also based on the intended power and use of the boat.

cuda 02-07-2007 08:34 AM

Re: Kaama to TRS?
 

Originally Posted by IRONMAN (Post 2018191)
You may want to consider changing the boat to whatever type of drives that a similar newer model from the same manufacturer would use. That would probably be the least expensive route and provide the best resale if it is a really good hull to begin with. And also based on the intended power and use of the boat.

That would be to Bravos, which would entail moving the engine up or down, and back, more than likely the change of center of gravity would make a porpoising machine.

MILD THUNDER 02-07-2007 10:15 AM

Re: Kaama to TRS?
 

Originally Posted by cuda (Post 2018279)
That would be to Bravos, which would entail moving the engine up or down, and back, more than likely the change of center of gravity would make a porpoising machine.


Yep. Some think bravos are the answer because they are newer, but some boats just run better with trs. Like a Cig cafe, they ride and land so much better with trs. I may have to pass on this boat, as much as I like it, I dont want to get into custom rigging, mounts, reglassing transoms, etc. But thanks for the help! :drink:

rdoactive 02-07-2007 10:17 AM

Re: Kaama to TRS?
 
Since you've already got a down angle, full power reverse tranny (twin disc 502?), a better choice might be a pair of inline ASD6s. Used ones can be found at good prices and parts for the ASDs are MUCH easier to find than Kaamas. That conversion would be cheaper and more reliable than TRS or bravo conversion.
BTW, what kind of boat?

Payton 02-07-2007 10:54 AM

Re: Kaama to TRS?
 

Originally Posted by rdoactive (Post 2018389)
Since you've already got a down angle, full power reverse tranny (twin disc 502?), a better choice might be a pair of inline ASD6s. Used ones can be found at good prices and parts for the ASDs are MUCH easier to find than Kaamas. That conversion would be cheaper and more reliable than TRS or bravo conversion.
BTW, what kind of boat?

There is a set in the classifieds I think.

h2oboater 02-07-2007 11:27 AM

Re: Kaama to TRS?
 

Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 2017622)
Is it possible to convert a boat that came with Kaama Drives to a TRS setup? How much of a hassle would it be?? Thanks, M.T.

Their is a Cougar cat for sale on OSO add's,, it look's like my old Active cat that had Kaama's on it, if you look at the pic's it showe's some interesting plates they made for some sort of conversion was done, dont no how safe this would be? I had the same thought's about the drive's but they never failed!

cuda 02-07-2007 06:20 PM

Re: Kaama to TRS?
 

Originally Posted by rdoactive (Post 2018389)
Since you've already got a down angle, full power reverse tranny (twin disc 502?),

You can change the rotation of a Twin Disc 502 by just turning over one lever.

SLICKSTEVE 06-18-2007 08:15 PM

Does This Guy Have
 
HAVE ANY EXTRA KAAMA DRIVE PARTS FOR SALE?? I NEED.. THANKS

Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 2017622)
Is it possible to convert a boat that came with Kaama Drives to a TRS setup? How much of a hassle would it be?? Thanks, M.T.


cuda 06-19-2007 06:01 AM


Originally Posted by rdoactive (Post 2018389)
parts for the ASDs are MUCH easier to find than Kaamas. ?

How do you figure that? All the gears, bearings, bushings, etc are available over the counter. The only thing that's hard to find is the boot, and the case.

rdoactive 06-19-2007 07:45 AM

Wow, old post.
But you are correct. I was referring to the boots. And for the less "experienced" boater, it's easier to call Arneson than it is to search for a Kamma part.
Gary

Rik 06-19-2007 10:56 AM


Originally Posted by cuda (Post 2168108)
How do you figure that? All the gears, bearings, bushings, etc are available over the counter. The only thing that's hard to find is the boot, and the case.

Uhhhh, probably because the Arneson is still in production.

Magic Medicine 06-19-2007 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by Rik (Post 2168482)
Uhhhh, probably because the Arneson is still in production.


Smart -ss reply = everyone wanting to buy your product.:rolleyes:

Rik 06-19-2007 11:23 PM


Originally Posted by Magic Medicine (Post 2169171)
Smart -ss reply = everyone wanting to buy your product.:rolleyes:

Nope, everyone wants to buy a Bravo.

cuda 06-20-2007 06:41 AM


Originally Posted by Rik (Post 2168482)
Uhhhh, probably because the Arneson is still in production.

Don't your drives use the same boot? Somebody's do.

Rik 06-20-2007 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by cuda (Post 2169695)
Don't your drives use the same boot? Somebody's do.


Oh hell no.

Our boot has absolutely nothing to do with sealing water out of the boat or the drive unit.

Weismann used the same boot as the KAAMA on their early drive version but when it became apparent that the boot was no longer available, they changed their design.

cuda 06-20-2007 10:25 PM


Originally Posted by Rik (Post 2170117)
Oh hell no.

Our boot has absolutely nothing to do with sealing water out of the boat or the drive unit.

Weismann used the same boot as the KAAMA on their early drive version but when it became apparent that the boot was no longer available, they changed their design.

Sorry I asked.:rolleyes:

I knew someone made a drive that used the same boots. Btw, let me know when Terry Bearing quits making those "hard to find parts" they sell over the counter for Kaamas.:rolleyes:

Rik 06-21-2007 12:22 PM

Please don't blame me for KAAMA's problems.

True, Bearings are Bearings, seals are seals but you are over simplifying the fact that the gears, housings, shafts, etc. cannot be purchased from any place you just walk into.

These are no longer in production, and it has been well over 15 + yrs since they were last made.

The boot is a service item and just another nail in the coffin so to speak or "writing on the wall" that there are problems with going with the KAAMA drive unit.


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