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Full Force 05-11-2007 03:04 PM

what SBC head to run?
 
I have a SBC in my boat, it is a Chris Craft 245 Limited, I have a balanced and forged roller shortblock, now with 9.5:1 with 64 CC heads, GM cam ZZ( (112LCA INT.212 EXH .226 Lift is .483/.520 I have dart sprtsman200 heads with a 200CC intake runner, performer intake, and 650 holley, I am thinking my heads are killing the torque, I got them cheap so I thought I would try them, I was thinking going with a 170-180CC intake runner, does that sound good with the cam I have?

what kind of small block combos are people running?

Ryan00TJ 05-11-2007 05:06 PM

Here's mine....
355ci
Eagle 4340 3.480" crank, forged I beams and TRW L2304 forged pistons, rotating assembly balanced very well. 1980-85 4 bolt block align honed, decked .020", bored .030" Melling M55A HO oil pump, Moroso 7qt oil pan w windge tray.
Edelbrock Performer RPM intake
AFR 190cc aluminum heads 74cc 10.0-1 SCR, .039 quench, 2.02I, 1.60E, Flow 261cfm @ .500 with strong midlift flow numbers
Morel Retrofit Roller lifters
224/230 .537/.511 112LSA 110ICL roller cam
Crane 1.6 roller rockers on I, Lunati 1.52 rollers on E
Holley 4150 750CFM carb
Smith Bros .083" wall 1 piece pushrods
Glenwood Marine HP aluminum manifolds w FastGlass 4" stainless smooth long risers that are 16" long. Almost a dry system as water hits the exhaust 3" before it leaves the tips. No Reversion

The 200cc's ports you currently have are a tad big for a 350.
A high velocity 180cc port would work better but that's alot of $$ for what gain I cannot say. Keeping the larger port is just going to need to be spun up higher. 5500+ rpms.

I like the AFR 190cc's, they flow great and make awesome power. The new Eliminators are even better than mine.

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/2...s107cm1.th.jpg

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/5...1075jy2.th.jpg

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/7...1077oi8.th.jpg

Full Force 05-11-2007 05:59 PM


Originally Posted by Ryan00TJ (Post 2124889)
Here's mine....
355ci
Eagle 4340 3.480" crank, forged I beams and TRW L2304 forged pistons, rotating assembly balanced very well. 1980-85 4 bolt block align honed, decked .020", bored .030" Melling M55A HO oil pump, Moroso 7qt oil pan w windge tray.
Edelbrock Performer RPM intake
AFR 190cc aluminum heads 74cc 10.0-1 SCR, .039 quench, 2.02I, 1.60E, Flow 261cfm @ .500 with strong midlift flow numbers
Morel Retrofit Roller lifters
224/230 .537/.511 112LSA 110ICL roller cam
Crane 1.6 roller rockers on I, Lunati 1.52 rollers on E
Holley 4150 750CFM carb
Smith Bros .083" wall 1 piece pushrods
Glenwood Marine HP aluminum manifolds w FastGlass 4" stainless smooth long risers that are 16" long. Almost a dry system as water hits the exhaust 3" before it leaves the tips. No Reversion

The 200cc's ports you currently have are a tad big for a 350.
A high velocity 180cc port would work better but that's alot of $$ for what gain I cannot say. Keeping the larger port is just going to need to be spun up higher. 5500+ rpms.

I like the AFR 190cc's, they flow great and make awesome power. The new Eliminators are even better than mine.

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/2...s107cm1.th.jpg

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/5...1075jy2.th.jpg

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/7...1077oi8.th.jpg

Looks like a good combo, what is it in, how does it run? I am looking at 170CC darts right now, maybe 180, I am trying to get some research done, I talked to Cam Motion today, they do custom cams, he said I can keep the cam I have but advance it 4 degrees to bring the power band down.

SneakyPete 05-11-2007 08:36 PM

I have AFR 180 Elimators. I purchased these heads at the recomendation of RM Builder. He is also grinding a cam to match the combo. The new 180 eliminators outlflow the old 190s, the small port should produce high velocity and great torque. I will tell you how it turns out once I get it together. They are going on a 383 w/ 6inch rods.

jmherbert 05-11-2007 10:24 PM

383 with:
Dart iron Eagle 200, 72cc.
Forged flat tops
crane 284H (228@050), .480 lift w /1.5 rockers
1.6 comp cams stainless rollers
Brodix dual plane
bG 750 mech secondaries
10.2:1 comp
Rhodes lifters
Revolution exhaust.

This motor pulls better than a 454 Mag. Seat o' pants dyno (semi educated guess is a bit above 400 HP in boat.

Instead of spending money on new heads, get that thing stroked! Then the heads would be perfect.

Full Force 05-11-2007 11:51 PM


Originally Posted by jmherbert (Post 2125183)
383 with:
Dart iron Eagle 200, 72cc.
Forged flat tops
crane 284H (228@050), .480 lift w /1.5 rockers
1.6 comp cams stainless rollers
Brodix dual plane
bG 750 mech secondaries
10.2:1 comp
Rhodes lifters
Revolution exhaust.

This motor pulls better than a 454 Mag. Seat o' pants dyno (semi educated guess is a bit above 400 HP in boat.

Instead of spending money on new heads, get that thing stroked! Then the heads would be perfect.

This has been a total budget deal so far, a stroker is not happening right now, I have around 1500.00 in ther whole thing right now, new heads, 800.00 stroker, alot more!!!

Full Force 05-11-2007 11:56 PM


Originally Posted by Ryan00TJ (Post 2124889)
Here's mine....
355ci
Eagle 4340 3.480" crank, forged I beams and TRW L2304 forged pistons, rotating assembly balanced very well. 1980-85 4 bolt block align honed, decked .020", bored .030" Melling M55A HO oil pump, Moroso 7qt oil pan w windge tray.
Edelbrock Performer RPM intake
AFR 190cc aluminum heads 74cc 10.0-1 SCR, .039 quench, 2.02I, 1.60E, Flow 261cfm @ .500 with strong midlift flow numbers
Morel Retrofit Roller lifters
224/230 .537/.511 112LSA 110ICL roller cam
Crane 1.6 roller rockers on I, Lunati 1.52 rollers on E
Holley 4150 750CFM carb
Smith Bros .083" wall 1 piece pushrods
Glenwood Marine HP aluminum manifolds w FastGlass 4" stainless smooth long risers that are 16" long. Almost a dry system as water hits the exhaust 3" before it leaves the tips. No Reversion

The 200cc's ports you currently have are a tad big for a 350.
A high velocity 180cc port would work better but that's alot of $$ for what gain I cannot say. Keeping the larger port is just going to need to be spun up higher. 5500+ rpms.

I like the AFR 190cc's, they flow great and make awesome power. The new Eliminators are even better than mine.

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/2...s107cm1.th.jpg

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/5...1075jy2.th.jpg

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/7...1077oi8.th.jpg

What was in your 360CI small block for heads and cam?

mrhorsepower1 05-12-2007 06:19 AM

Your fine where your at, save your pennies for a stroker kit!:D

Full Force 05-12-2007 11:36 AM


Originally Posted by mrhorsepower1 (Post 2125301)
Your fine where your at, save your pennies for a stroker kit!:D

Stroker kit is not happening this year, I need to make the best with what I have as far as a shortblock, I am going to go with 170-180CC runner and advance the cam 4 degrees, cam motion said to also bring the power band down.

unbroken 05-13-2007 12:12 PM

GM Performance Bowties work awesome on my 383's!

Plane Silly 05-13-2007 02:35 PM

I have the Edelbrock E-tec 200's on my Procharged 383 and they work very well.

Ryan00TJ 05-16-2007 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by 245 limited (Post 2124946)
Looks like a good combo, what is it in, how does it run?

21' Hammond Challenger 22* deadrise, 2800lbs dry
Alpha 1 w nosecone, 1.5" raised X dimension,
23p labbed cleaver,

I've finally got the new drive broken in and opened it up quite a bit this weekend. I've got the jetting right 72P, 76S and I can't be more thrilled with how fast it is.

Full tank 50gal, 3 people 69-70gps @ 5300rpms
1/4 tank, 2 people, 74gps @ 5400rpms
Near empty, just me, 76gps @ 5500rpms

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9...hot2ls6.th.jpg

http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/4...y071cx1.th.jpg

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/5...wfo2js8.th.jpg

My previous 360ci SBC had the same AFR heads as this engine. I had them redone for the new build as they had around 500hrs on them. Motor was 9.2-1 SCR
It had a hyd flat tappet 224/224 .465/.465 114+5, Performer RPM, 1.5 roller rockers, Holley 750 dbl pump, Glenwood HP manifolds, FastGlass short risers, Jasper Marine shortblock,

Engine ran great and was powerful but this new build is above and beyond. Fastest the 360 ran was 70gps and that was with a near empty tank, 1 person and alot of weight out, same 23p cleaver.

Full Force 05-16-2007 03:23 PM

Nice!!


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