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D Harry 05-27-2007 11:52 AM

Fuel Problem! help
 
I have a 502 mpi, which I'm having a problem with to much fuel going onto the plugs. The regulator was set on 40 psi, then i redused it to 38 psi but the problem remained there, then I redused it to 34 psi but still the problem remained. Can someone please help me cause I don't have a clue what is going on.
Harry

t500hps 05-27-2007 07:54 PM

Are you refering to the plugs meaning spark plugs? I would think you need to keep the pressure the same but have the computer adjusted to reduce fuel at certain rpms..... (but please get more advice before following mine!!!)

stevesxm 05-28-2007 04:29 AM

you don't fix a problem in the mpi system by screwing with the factory settings... you fix what's broken. if the motor has gone rich and you believe its the fuel system you hook up your scanner and see what it says. then you fix that or those things.

on the mpi there are several things that will make the system go rich:

water temp too cold.... someone took the thermostat out

coolant temp sensor bad... temps ok but system THINKS its cold
or any or all of the rest of the sensor array connections...

also.... you refer to changing the fuel pressure.... if you have changed the factory non adjustable regulator to something else and screwed up the return line or return system it will overpressure the sytem and the fuel/pulse width ratio will be wrong comprehensively

OR a common failure is really dirty or failed injectors. the bottom line is that the mpi is not a carburettor that you just bash w/ a hammer and hope the floats unstick... it is a system that diagnosis and repairs VERY quickly and simply if you simply approach it with the correct tool and a calm and rational method. and the factory (not aftermarket) workshop manual will make it really really easy.

D Harry 05-28-2007 06:09 AM


Originally Posted by stevesxm (Post 2142255)
you don't fix a problem in the mpi system by screwing with the factory settings... you fix what's broken. if the motor has gone rich and you believe its the fuel system you hook up your scanner and see what it says. then you fix that or those things.

on the mpi there are several things that will make the system go rich:

water temp too cold.... someone took the thermostat out

coolant temp sensor bad... temps ok but system THINKS its cold
or any or all of the rest of the sensor array connections...

also.... you refer to changing the fuel pressure.... if you have changed the factory non adjustable regulator to something else and screwed up the return line or return system it will overpressure the sytem and the fuel/pulse width ratio will be wrong comprehensively

OR a common failure is really dirty or failed injectors. the bottom line is that the mpi is not a carburettor that you just bash w/ a hammer and hope the floats unstick... it is a system that diagnosis and repairs VERY quickly and simply if you simply approach it with the correct tool and a calm and rational method. and the factory (not aftermarket) workshop manual will make it really really easy.

Stevesxm: thanks for your reply, but I forgot to tell you that the engine is no longer a standard engine. it has some mods made to it like 741 cam, upgrade Ecm, upgrade exhaust etc. The problem is that the engine is having a very rough idle and it hunts as well. When put on foward it still hunts till about 2K revs, then it's like it clears up and it runs ok although it's rich on fuel that you can actually smell it. I check the aftermarket fuel regulator and I found it block, cleaned it but the problem is still there. So now I'm out of ideas.

t500hps 05-28-2007 07:26 AM

If the mods are just completed then the computer MUST be re-mapped to acount for the new engine. (I'm just getting new engines installled and having the motors dyno'ed and tuned to run.

D Harry 05-28-2007 09:33 AM


Originally Posted by t500hps (Post 2142294)
If the mods are just completed then the computer MUST be re-mapped to acount for the new engine. (I'm just getting new engines installled and having the motors dyno'ed and tuned to run.

I remapped the ECM according to the new mods. The problem is that here in Malta there isn't a dyno for a V8 engine and my only solution to solve this problem is to ship the engine to the US.

Dave_N 05-28-2007 11:42 AM

Do you have a scan tool? Checked for Trouble Codes?

D Harry 05-28-2007 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by Dave_N (Post 2142468)
Do you have a scan tool? Checked for Trouble Codes?

Dave, I'm trying to get a DDT scan tool.

stevesxm 05-28-2007 03:11 PM

at a wild guess, tradidionally when people screw with the motors they put too much cam in it... that changes the manifold vacuum substantially and makes the MAP sensor berserk... and the rest is history. if you are going to run the injection you have to put it on a dyno and map both the fuel and the ignition at this point... no one... and i mean no one at all is going to be able to sell you and ecu that is " remapped" that will be correct without seeing your motor.

t500hps 05-28-2007 04:25 PM

If you cannot send the motor to be dyno/tuned then you need to send someone who can all the info they would collect during that process. Contact on of the people here in the states (I use Precision Marine) and find out what info he needs to get your computer straight.

(Confirm with who you pick but, they'll need you to run a fuel pressure gauge, vacuum gauge and an O2 (oxygen) sensor and pull readings every 200 rpm throughout the rpm range. With that info he can get your computer dam near perfect)


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