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speediseverything 06-06-2007 02:13 AM

500hp Gurus !!!
 
I am buying a 2002 Gen6 500hp and wanted to know the (easiest) best way to get 500 to 550hp. Also what is it stock. Thanks in advance.

Canada Jeff 06-06-2007 07:02 AM

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heads and a cam. it's EFI so resurch who has done this and go with an experienced builder. I have tried the external add on crap for the EFi and nothing reall works.

Or do what I did over the winter and Whipple it !

Bajapred 06-06-2007 07:40 AM

Is is EFI or carb..could be either one....if carb..you might consider a 250 blower setup, run about 4psi or so..you could also do some porting on the heads like Jeff suggested and prob gain nearly 50hp..not sure if I would touch the cam or not..those HP500's have great cams in them that work very good and no rev problems, but that is also a choice...btw..stock hp is 500 @ the crank and 470hp @ the prop

After thinking about it..I guess you could only have a efi...carb was made until 2000 and efi started in 1999...so maybe the head work would be a good choice...OR THE WHIPPLE!

Carder 06-06-2007 07:46 AM

Stock power for a HP500 is 470 hp.
Tyler Crockett redid rebuilt both of mine recently.. basically heads, cam, ignition.. dynoed out at 585 hp at 5600 rpm.

Canada Jeff 06-06-2007 07:49 AM

Bajapred is right, stock power is 500hp, not 470.

I didn't think Merc still built the carb version in 2002.

jdnca1 06-06-2007 07:56 AM

The quickest and easiest path to 550HP.... :D well take off the EFI system and intake and sit it on the shelf....then bolt on a single plane and 850 and spin the motor 5800....and yes, I am being serious....If you're going to SC, no need to stop at 550....go whipple or roots with carbs and put up 800+ reliably....:drink:

Canada Jeff 06-06-2007 08:01 AM

I didn't want to lose my efi, if he's anything like me, he won't either. What about just swaping out to Aluminum heads? That should be good for 40 hp.....no?

razor1115 06-06-2007 08:23 AM

Carder,

What speeds are you seeing? What is your set-up?

speediseverything 06-06-2007 11:59 AM

I am told it is a 2002 but it has a carb, This motor is going in an Advantage Citation 22ft. It has gil exhaust right now.

Canada Jeff 06-06-2007 12:14 PM

Don't waste money on the exhaust, you won't get any more hp. Those Gil's flow great.

If it's a carb, you have alot of options open to you.

If I were you I would fine a good engine guy close to you, check him out (talk to his customers) and then ask him what he would recomend.

Pat McPherson 06-06-2007 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by speediseverything (Post 2153192)
I am told it is a 2002 but it has a carb, This motor is going in an Advantage Citation 22ft. It has gil exhaust right now.

Port the heads, change to a little more cam, and 550HP will be no problem.

speediseverything 06-06-2007 12:28 PM

Is there a difference when porting the heads for a car or a boat application. What rpm should i spin this motor at.

Carder 06-06-2007 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by razor1115 (Post 2152869)
Carder,

What speeds are you seeing? What is your set-up?

Bravo 1's on Stelling boxes, 1.5 gears.
29p Quad IV's hit the rev limiter of 5600 at 87 mph... with about 2 inches of unused throttle.
I have a problem with the stbd. drive, currently, but when that is resolved Julie at Throttles-Up has sent me a set of CNC 29p 5 blades to try.

Carder 06-06-2007 12:33 PM

Tyler got around 100 hp from simply doing the new Dart heads and a port job. The cam and MSD were icing on the cake... The dyno showed the MSD alone added 12 more hp.

razor1115 06-06-2007 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by Carder (Post 2153231)
Bravo 1's on Stelling boxes, 1.5 gears.
29p Quad IV's hit the rev limiter of 5600 at 87 mph... with about 2 inches of unused throttle.
I have a problem with the stbd. drive, currently, but when that is resolved Julie at Throttles-Up has sent me a set of CNC 29p 5 blades to try.

Are the boxes -2 raising the x-dim?

Carder 06-06-2007 12:40 PM

The boxes both set back the props as well as raise the X

speediseverything 06-06-2007 12:56 PM

Why is the 500hp 500horse and the 502mag is only 415. Whats the difference

razor1115 06-06-2007 12:57 PM


Originally Posted by Carder (Post 2153242)
The boxes both set back the props as well as raise the X

Thanks Carder...I suspected as much with those speeds.

Pat McPherson 06-06-2007 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by speediseverything (Post 2153230)
Is there a difference when porting the heads for a car or a boat application. What rpm should i spin this motor at.

From what I've read and been told the exhaust ports need work on the Chevy heads.
5600rpm should get you 550+HP.

Pat McPherson 06-06-2007 01:37 PM


Originally Posted by speediseverything (Post 2153270)
Why is the 500hp 500horse and the 502mag is only 415. Whats the difference

Intake, valve size, cam, exhaust...

320es 06-06-2007 03:35 PM


Originally Posted by Carder (Post 2153235)
Tyler got around 100 hp from simply doing the new Dart heads and a port job. The cam and MSD were icing on the cake... The dyno showed the MSD alone added 12 more hp.

Wow, I am suprised by the MSD. I always thougt that the merc ignition was pretty damn good. Interesting though.

Bajapred 06-06-2007 10:02 PM

You need to compare the Propshaft horsepower..ie, 502mag = 415psh & the HP500 = 470psh add 30hp to get the crankshaft horsepower for each engine..FYI, the 525sc is a blown 454 that made 490 psh... the HP600sc is blown 502 and made 550 psh..the 800sc is a blown 572 and made 700psh..the 1000 sc was a blown 542 with high compression 9:1 ! and made 950psh !!! yikes..all the other blown mercury engines had 7.5:1 compression....also, the 525sc had a single 1050 carb..the 600 & 800 both had dual 700 holleys & the 1000sc had twin 1050's! they all had 4800-5200 RPM range accept the 1000sc it just had "run me @ 6200rpm" stamped on it!

jdnca1 06-07-2007 04:12 PM

Well there are a couple of things...(A) your motor is not a true '2002' HP500 because Merc stopped building carbed HP500's in 99'. (B) If it has a 02' serial number, then someone has already scrapped the fuel injection. It would be helpful to know which motor you have because they had a cam for the carbed and a cam for the EFI which are quite different. Non the less, since you are already cabed you have a lot more options..some of which have already been mentioned....:drink: But the huge hang-up with the regular EFI stuff is the very restrictive intake manifold and from what I have been told its very hard to make them flow enough to support better heads, etc...can the intake be modded...sure...but its only money....:p :drink:

speediseverything 06-08-2007 01:49 PM

The motors were bought in 2002 but were carbed so they must have been left overs from 99 i guess. It looks like the heads and the cam are the way i will go, what heads should i go with or is it cheaper to just port the stockers. Also what cam will i need to go with. Thanks for all the info guys.

Canada Jeff 06-08-2007 01:56 PM

probably similar price if you just buy soem good aluminum heads and blot them on rather than remove disassemble, port, ressemble and install the stockers.

Just my 2 cents.

tblrklakemo 06-08-2007 01:58 PM

I think the 500hp's are around 517 horse? 470 ish at the prop?

Pat McPherson 06-08-2007 02:14 PM

If 550HP is your goal the stock heads should be fine with some bowl porting and a valve job.
For 600HP, it may be more cost effective to buy new heads.
RMBuilder is man to select a cam to maximize the power of your combo.


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