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speedygonzalez 08-20-2007 08:27 PM

496 ho/headers to lean?
 
Has anyone experienced or heard of headers leanning out a 496 ho to the point that you loose power instead of gaining power.
Here is my situation, after installing headers I lost @ 700 RPM checked fuel preasure its 48lbs at idle 50lbs at 4000 RPM, it has a upgraded regulator because it has Raylar 525 kit,timing is 22@4000 RPM throtlle is 100% both visual and at scanner, fuel filter is good and clean.
I talked to lightning( HEADERS) and he thinks I may be too lean and the knock sensor is causing timing to pull back, but ray says 22degrees is normal @4000 RPM.
I only run at Havasu and live 300 miles away so I can't experiment to much. I will try a local lake with current situation and see if richening makes a difference, but they have speed limits there so it may not help me.
Any leads or thoughts are highly welcomed.:signs069:

Nordicflame 08-21-2007 01:39 PM

BobL has dyno'd and worked with that exact setup and can assist you. I do know that there was no lean out issues however.
Try PMing him.
Dave

speedygonzalez 08-21-2007 02:27 PM

thanks ,I have seen that he has experience with 496.

Nordicflame 08-21-2007 02:57 PM

More than likely your in gaurdian mode which will not allow it to go over ~4300rpm.
Do you have access to a scanner (Diacom)
You may have left a sensor (exhaust manifold temp) unplugged or something along those lines.
Dave

bobl 08-21-2007 04:38 PM

Dave's right. The lightnings won't lean it out that much. You're going into guardian mode. Get a scanner on it to determine what is going on. Probably an exhaust temp sensor or water pressure.

speedygonzalez 08-21-2007 05:01 PM

I do have Diacom and everything is OK no alarms no codes. Now,the plugs are real clean even with the 525 raylar kit it was just a little on the fat side. Now the question is if the knock sesor is detecting detonation will that cause the sam thing ?

bobl 08-21-2007 05:54 PM

You should be able to see any knock retard with Diacom. Check the %power available. I bet when you hit around 4300 RPM it is being reduced to 90% or less. If so you should be able to determine what is triggering it. From what I've seen it can do this and not set a guardian event in fault history, or audible alarm. I had a similar scenario that was triggered by an IAC that went bad. It would only go to 90% power above 4300 RPM.


Originally Posted by speedygonzalez (Post 2242894)
I do have Diacom and everything is OK no alarms no codes. Now,the plugs are real clean even with the 525 raylar kit it was just a little on the fat side. Now the question is if the knock sesor is detecting detonation will that cause the sam thing ?


speedygonzalez 08-21-2007 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by bobl (Post 2242966)
You should be able to see any knock retard with Diacom. Check the %power available. I bet when you hit around 4300 RPM it is being reduced to 90% or less. If so you should be able to determine what is triggering it. From what I've seen it can do this and not set a guardian event in fault history, or audible alarm. I had a similar scenario that was triggered by an IAC that went bad. It would only go to 90% power above 4300 RPM.

That's one thing that puzzled me as well, it always said 100%.
Havin said that, even if it was pulling back on timing,fuel or what ever it does to lower the power the Diacom should have read less power.
I know that removing them and putting OEM back is one way to see if thats the problem, but it's some work to do that.

kr1276 08-21-2007 09:02 PM

I have triple 496's and installed CMI's and now am having the same problem but the difference is it is only on one engine. I am convinced it is a sensor doing it but I too have not had a chance to find it. Throw out the idea of a lean condition as my other two engines are not having the same problem. Once I figure mine out, hopefully this weekend, I will let you know.

speedygonzalez 08-21-2007 10:13 PM


Originally Posted by kr1276 (Post 2243231)
I have triple 496's and installed CMI's and now am having the same problem but the difference is it is only on one engine. I am convinced it is a sensor doing it but I too have not had a chance to find it. Throw out the idea of a lean condition as my other two engines are not having the same problem. Once I figure mine out, hopefully this weekend, I will let you know.

At least you got another motor to swap whatever you might think to be the culprit, but I can't put in the water untill next week and fatten it up and see what happens.


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