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Ryan00TJ 12-07-2007 11:05 AM


Originally Posted by bwiencek (Post 2362996)
I've been looking over cams and was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on running the Nitrous HP cams - NX276HR specificially - it's got a long exhuast duration which I would think would help with a restrictive exhaust setup, and a wide lobe center that should help with reversion....
SPECS::
Basic Operating RPM Range: 2,000-6,000
Duration at 050 inch Lift: 224 int./236 exh.
Advertised Duration: 276 int./288 exh.
Intake Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio: 0.502 in.
Exhaust Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio: 0.520 in.
Lobe Separation (degrees): 113

Those specs with the long exhaust duration is mainly suited for N20 applications. It would work decent on a 383 SBC but it all depends on the cylinder head flow and exhaust system. An aftermarket head with a good exhaust port and I/E flow ratio would not need that 12* split between I/E to make good power.

For ex... My AFR heads have a very good I/E ratio and the best power is usually made with cams with only 1-2* favoring the exhaust. Ex 224/226. Except in a marine application our manifolds don't flow as well as long tube headers and a little more exhaust duration is needed.

Sulfur1 12-07-2007 08:17 PM

I have a question since were on the subject of a 383 conversion. How much can you get out of a 350 block? Is 383 the most you can get without honing anything?

formula 382 sr-1 12-07-2007 09:12 PM


Originally Posted by bwiencek (Post 2362996)
A couple questions - the Sportsman II heads - did you run them "out of the box" or did you buy them bare and add components (valves mainly)

What type/brand of piston did you use?

Are you getting any detonation with the compression you're running? Mine should be real close as I've got -18cc pistons and 64cc heads (82cc vs 84cc volume in the chamber+piston)

I've been looking over cams and was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on running the Nitrous HP cams - NX276HR specificially - it's got a long exhuast duration which I would think would help with a restrictive exhaust setup, and a wide lobe center that should help with reversion....
SPECS::
Basic Operating RPM Range: 2,000-6,000
Duration at 050 inch Lift: 224 int./236 exh.
Advertised Duration: 276 int./288 exh.
Intake Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio: 0.502 in.
Exhaust Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio: 0.520 in.
Lobe Separation (degrees): 113

Yes I used them out of the box with the Crane, When I went to the Bullet Cam we installed bronze guide liners and Isky valve springs. Out of the box they used oil. No detonation with 93oct. I was more than happy with the Bullet cam picking up 4 mph with a cam change is very good. This set up worked for me and our 272 Formula.:D

formula 382 sr-1 12-07-2007 09:15 PM


Originally Posted by Sulfur1 (Post 2363781)
I have a question since were on the subject of a 383 conversion. How much can you get out of a 350 block? Is 383 the most you can get without honing anything?

You got to bore it .030 to get 383 :party-smiley-004:

Ryan00TJ 12-08-2007 01:50 PM


Originally Posted by Sulfur1 (Post 2363781)
I have a question since were on the subject of a 383 conversion. How much can you get out of a 350 block? Is 383 the most you can get without honing anything?

Without boring the block you could build a 380ci with a 3.750" stroke crank and 4.000" bore.

You can take a 350 block out to 396ci using a .030" bore and a 3.875" stroke. That's about the biggest I would want to go.
A few have stuffed a 4.000" stroke crank in to get over 400ci but it does not leave much compression height on the pistons for a marine application.

pullmytrigger 12-09-2007 10:21 AM

dont do all that work to the engine then leave stock exhaust even if you have to go through the prop.......I switched to polished Revolution Marines and on bone stock 350 carb engines and saw immeadiate noticeable torque increase right out of the hole and another 500 or so rpm on top.....they are a direct replacement for stock.......plus I took 100 lbs a side off the back of the boat, 200 lbs total!!.......I would think you would see even more gains on your hopped up engine.......doug

bwiencek 12-10-2007 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by formula 382 sr-1 (Post 2363807)
Yes I used them out of the box with the Crane, When I went to the Bullet Cam we installed bronze guide liners and Isky valve springs. Out of the box they used oil.

That's good - I think I'm going to stick with a flat tappet cam as the retrofit roller stuff is pricy and this really isn't an all-out performance boat hull anyhow... Interesting info on the oil consumption - I've had a couple sets of the sportsman II's on IMCA style modifieds and haven't had them use oil...


Originally Posted by pullmytrigger (Post 2364926)
dont do all that work to the engine then leave stock exhaust even if you have to go through the prop.......I switched to polished Revolution Marines and on bone stock 350 carb engines and saw immeadiate noticeable torque increase right out of the hole and another 500 or so rpm on top.....they are a direct replacement for stock.......plus I took 100 lbs a side off the back of the boat, 200 lbs total!!.......I would think you would see even more gains on your hopped up engine.......doug

I'm thinking I'll swap exhaust manifolds later - gotta keep some sort of budget here if I want to stay out of the doghouse....:rolleyes:


Next question is on oil pan... I'm thinking about running a 'diamond stripper' screen style windage tray and getting one of those cheap "drag" style 7-quart pan and pickup combos - figuring the extra capacity should help keep oil temps down a little and the windage screen to keep the oil in the pan - Oil pump will probably be a melling M55HV and a matching steel sleeved shaft. anyone have a better "budget" oiling setup without going dry-sump :eek: OR is this overkill and I should just run the stock pan setup?

Ryan00TJ 12-10-2007 08:15 PM


Originally Posted by bwiencek (Post 2366139)
Next question is on oil pan... I'm thinking about running a 'diamond stripper' screen style windage tray and getting one of those cheap "drag" style 7-quart pan and pickup combos - figuring the extra capacity should help keep oil temps down a little and the windage screen to keep the oil in the pan - Oil pump will probably be a melling M55HV and a matching steel sleeved shaft. anyone have a better "budget" oiling setup without going dry-sump :eek: OR is this overkill and I should just run the stock pan setup?

I've always used a 7qt kickout Moroso oil pan with the stock GM windage setup and a Melling M55A high output oil pump. On my 355 solid roller that spun 6500rpms I did opt for M55HV. If your staying under 6000rpms I don't see any need for the HV pump. It takes more power to turn it for no real return. Add the larger pan and get as much windage as you can. A regular or M55A HO pump should do you fine.

On my new 385ci build i'm using a Hamburger 7qt marine pan with built in windage tray and a blueprinted M55A HO pump.

formula 382 sr-1 12-10-2007 08:31 PM

I used Milodon 7qt part # Mil-30902 $169.95 and MEL-M55HV pump. We also ran a 454Mag oil powersteering cooler and amsoil 20/50 series 2000, After a hard run oil temp only 210deg.:D


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