Marine Gas Engine Synthetic Race oil?
03-19-2008, 04:35 PM
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07DominatorSS - That would be great if you could either send to me or post the techinical info on both the race and marine oils. I phoned Amsoil's Tech line and they were of no help at all!!
03-19-2008, 04:43 PM
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http://www.amsoil.com/products/gearl...hitePaper.aspx
http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/tro.aspx (Racing Oil) Which is what I use also.
https://www.amsoil.com/lit/databulletins/g1213.pdf
http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/ame.aspx (Marine 15w-40 Diesel Oil)
https://www.amsoil.com/lit/databulletins/g473.pdf
Yeah, the tech line can sometimes be that way, I've experienced the same thing.
I also use these products....
https://www.amsoil.com/lit/databulletins/g2044.pdf
https://www.amsoil.com/lit/databulletins/g1281.pdf
Hopefully all this helps
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03-19-2008, 04:55 PM
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If it only were that simple.
Oil is a bigger point of contention than the Chevy/Ford argument that's been going on since, well, as long as Chevy and Ford have been around.
There's no such thing as "best". There's often times "different" and the oil manufacturers will go to great lengths to tell you why their version of "different" should be important to you. In reality, all of the top shelf oils are going to do the same things for you. If there really was such a thing as "best", that oil company would provide quantitative proof of such fact and all the others would be out of business. They wouldn't need to pay some NASCAR driver bushels full of $$ to tell you that their oil was better.
As far as anti-corrosion- there's simply no magic there, or in any oil. Oil prevents corrosion by film barrier. If the oil clings to a part, air can't get to it. Hence, no rust. Marine oils have no element to them that makes them any "stickier". Water is the ultimate solvent- it permeates every material known to man- some obviously take longer than others but nothing stops water. If you coated your parts in grease, then dumped water into the cylinders, I doubt you'd have been any better off.
The thing is, the oil doesn't know it's in a boat. If a marine oil had some beneficial attribute, it would be just as beneficial to a NASCAR, offroad, endurance-roadracing and any other performance engine.
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03-19-2008, 09:13 PM
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If it only were that simple.
Oil is a bigger point of contention than the Chevy/Ford argument that's been going on since, well, as long as Chevy and Ford have been around.
There's no such thing as "best". There's often times "different" and the oil manufacturers will go to great lengths to tell you why their version of "different" should be important to you. In reality, all of the top shelf oils are going to do the same things for you. If there really was such a thing as "best", that oil company would provide quantitative proof of such fact and all the others would be out of business. They wouldn't need to pay some NASCAR driver bushels full of $$ to tell you that their oil was better.
As far as anti-corrosion- there's simply no magic there, or in any oil. Oil prevents corrosion by film barrier. If the oil clings to a part, air can't get to it. Hence, no rust. Marine oils have no element to them that makes them any "stickier". Water is the ultimate solvent- it permeates every material known to man- some obviously take longer than others but nothing stops water. If you coated your parts in grease, then dumped water into the cyliners, I doubt you'd have been any better off.
The thing is, the oil doesn't know it's in a boat. If a marine oil had some beneficial attribute, it would be just as beneficial to a NASCAR, offroad, endurance-roadracing and any other performance engine.
Oil is a bigger point of contention than the Chevy/Ford argument that's been going on since, well, as long as Chevy and Ford have been around.
There's no such thing as "best". There's often times "different" and the oil manufacturers will go to great lengths to tell you why their version of "different" should be important to you. In reality, all of the top shelf oils are going to do the same things for you. If there really was such a thing as "best", that oil company would provide quantitative proof of such fact and all the others would be out of business. They wouldn't need to pay some NASCAR driver bushels full of $$ to tell you that their oil was better.
As far as anti-corrosion- there's simply no magic there, or in any oil. Oil prevents corrosion by film barrier. If the oil clings to a part, air can't get to it. Hence, no rust. Marine oils have no element to them that makes them any "stickier". Water is the ultimate solvent- it permeates every material known to man- some obviously take longer than others but nothing stops water. If you coated your parts in grease, then dumped water into the cyliners, I doubt you'd have been any better off.
The thing is, the oil doesn't know it's in a boat. If a marine oil had some beneficial attribute, it would be just as beneficial to a NASCAR, offroad, endurance-roadracing and any other performance engine.
03-19-2008, 11:32 PM
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Most marine oils have more additives to prevent rust, and that is not just "extra oil"- its a true rust preventative additive. The NMMA came out with a new oil spec labeled FC-W and one of the goals of this spec was to set a standard for anti-corrosion. A number of brands now market oil meeting this spec, including Amsoils 10w-30 Marine 4 stroke oil. I have not really looked into this product as it appears to be more directed at 4 stroke outboards, but it also says it can be used in inboard engines as well.
03-20-2008, 06:11 AM
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You are right in some aspects, however, there are oils that do have more rust and corrosion inhibitors built into them than others. Therefore, some oils are better than others, and by saying "all top shelf oils are going to do the same for you" is pretty much ignorant. All oils are different, different protection ratings, heat resistance, cold pour points, waxes and parrifins, shear stability, oxidation resistance and on and on and on.
As far as splitting hairs, I assumed we were speaking about synthetic high-performane oils of equivalent service ratings. Tech posts are useless when they're unreadable. Continuous provisos and redundancies on topics make them so.
As far as my "ignorance", I'd advise you to watch your tone with me. You have know idea of the range of my knowledge and experience in these areas, nor that of any of our other members. Unlike most internet windbag forums, this one is regularly visited by people who created and molded this sport and by many that continue to do so. Can you imagine logging on to a NASCAR forum and exchanging posts with some of their top crew chiefs and engine builders? You can do that here (for the record, I'm not one of those guys- been around a bit though). You should take the advice offered to you in the other oil thread. We value respect around here. Especially from new people.
03-20-2008, 06:51 AM
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In the interest of full-disclosure, you are an Amsoil dealer, correct? And the "data" you offer was from studies conducted by Amsoil? There's nothing wrong with that, as long as it's honest and up front.
As far as splitting hairs, I assumed we were speaking about synthetic high-performane oils of equivalent service ratings. Tech posts are useless when they're unreadable. Continuous provisos and redundancies on topics make them so.
As far as my "ignorance", I'd advise you to watch your tone with me. You have know idea of the range of my knowledge and experience in these areas, nor that of any of our other members. Unlike most internet windbag forums, this one is regularly visited by people who created and molded this sport and by many that continue to do so. Can you imagine logging on to a NASCAR forum and exchanging posts with some of their top crew chiefs and engine builders? You can do that here (for the record, I'm not one of those guys- been around a bit though). You should take the advice offered to you in the other oil thread. We value respect around here. Especially from new people.
As far as splitting hairs, I assumed we were speaking about synthetic high-performane oils of equivalent service ratings. Tech posts are useless when they're unreadable. Continuous provisos and redundancies on topics make them so.
As far as my "ignorance", I'd advise you to watch your tone with me. You have know idea of the range of my knowledge and experience in these areas, nor that of any of our other members. Unlike most internet windbag forums, this one is regularly visited by people who created and molded this sport and by many that continue to do so. Can you imagine logging on to a NASCAR forum and exchanging posts with some of their top crew chiefs and engine builders? You can do that here (for the record, I'm not one of those guys- been around a bit though). You should take the advice offered to you in the other oil thread. We value respect around here. Especially from new people.
03-20-2008, 07:48 AM
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Putting notarized affidavits on the tail end of studies doesn't make them unimpeachable, especially when paid for by a singular participant. I deal with ANSI verification programs performed by NRTL's and I see all sorts of pressure brought to bear by the larger companies to fare well. I've seen first-hand where results were influenced if not downright bought. I've also seen first-hand where estabilished National Consensus Standards were interpreted very loosely.
I'm not suggesting wrongdoing on anyone's part. I'm suggesting that studies like these need a contextual frame of reference. What you offer there is not a "study". It's an ad. It lacks completely any explanation of methodology. It also fails to clearly identify the testing entity and its relationships to the companies whose products are being tested.
03-20-2008, 08:10 AM
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Bob Teague uses AMSOIL 20w-50 Racing Oil and the AMSOIL Marine Gear Lube 75w/80w-90. You will not find an oil out that will outperform any AMSOIL product. If you need tech sheets on some of the products, let me know. I can fax them to you. AMSOIL motor oils also have an offseason protection package built into them, therefore, helping to prevent that issue you had.
I've used both Mobil 1 and Amsoil products in my boats for 10 years with excellent results.
Is your Dad the big Michigan Amsoil dealer I see pictured in the Amsoil newsletter all the time? Does he own the Amsoil 288 Sunsation? If so, I have met him at the Sunsation Rally a couple of different times.
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