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Ran-Dom 32 03-26-2008 08:41 PM

upgrading gen 6 mechanical fuel pump
 
how much HP with the stock fuel/sea water pump support? has anyone tried the new KEPP fuel pump upgrade? I have a fresh pair of 540's that I don't want to starve for fuel

Kidnova 03-27-2008 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by Ran-Dom 32 (Post 2501207)
how much HP with the stock fuel/sea water pump support? has anyone tried the new KEPP fuel pump upgrade? I have a fresh pair of 540's that I don't want to starve for fuel

Me too ........ same question, 'cept I have a single BB, close to the same CI.

Anyone ???

Nordicflame 03-27-2008 08:19 AM

A Holley or Carter high volume pump diaphram assembly will screw right on to the Merc armature housing. Works great!
Dave

DiamondPerformance 03-27-2008 08:31 AM

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Merc. used the stock fuel/water pump on their SC-600hp. The KEPP fuel pump upgrade is good for 700hp. This Billit pump is rated for 850hp.

Kidnova 03-28-2008 10:20 AM


Originally Posted by Nordicflame (Post 2501783)
A Holley or Carter high volume pump diaphram assembly will screw right on to the Merc armature housing. Works great!
Dave

Dave, Have you tried/used a Holly or Carter diaphram on the Merc housing ? If so, which one did you use and how did it work out for you ? I have a 557 that should max out in the 5700-5800 RPM range. I'd like to stay with the mechanical pump if possible.

Thanks - Bill

Kidnova 03-28-2008 10:22 AM


Originally Posted by DiamondPerformance (Post 2501805)
Merc. used the stock fuel/water pump on their SC-600hp. The KEPP fuel pump upgrade is good for 700hp. This Billit pump is rated for 850hp.

Bill,

What's the PSI on the pump you mention ?

Nordicflame 03-28-2008 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by Kidnova (Post 2503257)
Dave, Have you tried/used a Holly or Carter diaphram on the Merc housing ? If so, which one did you use and how did it work out for you ? I have a 557 that should max out in the 5700-5800 RPM range. I'd like to stay with the mechanical pump if possible.

Thanks - Bill

Bill,
The Holley 12-454-11, 12-454-13 and 12-454-20 will all bolt up as will the Carters with the six screw flange (the Merc armature housing is a Carter unit)
Yes, I have used the -11 for a supply pump for the high pressure pump on supercharged EFI setups up to 1000hp. The -13 and -20 will require a regulator.
Dave

Kidnova 03-28-2008 11:22 AM

Thanks Dave !!

DiamondPerformance 03-28-2008 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by Kidnova (Post 2503258)
Bill,

What's the PSI on the pump you mention ?


It's 8 psi and 1200 lbs. per hour.

Ran-Dom 32 03-28-2008 02:21 PM

I think I'm going to try the KEPP pump, they are self regulated right? who's got the best price on a pair??

DiamondPerformance 03-28-2008 04:58 PM

Yes, they are self regulated , sent you a PM.

Ran-Dom 32 04-07-2008 09:05 PM


Originally Posted by Nordicflame (Post 2503285)
Bill,
The Holley 12-454-11, 12-454-13 and 12-454-20 will all bolt up as will the Carters with the six screw flange (the Merc armature housing is a Carter unit)
Yes, I have used the -11 for a supply pump for the high pressure pump on supercharged EFI setups up to 1000hp. The -13 and -20 will require a regulator.
Dave

anyone else tried this set up? I see jegs sells a marine holley 712-454-11, I'm wondering if this would bolt up to the seawater assembly http://www.jegs.com/i/Holley/510/712-454-11/10002/-1

Nordicflame 04-08-2008 08:05 AM

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The only part of that pump that is marine (the armature housing) gets thrown away so it wouldn't make any difference if it's marine or not. You don't remove the housing from the sea pump assembly; only the diaphragm assembly.

Dave

BillR 04-08-2008 08:09 AM

I am using the KEPP pump. Nice unit. One thing nice thing - it doesn't leak fuel into the pump oil no where near as bad as stock. As far as fuel pressure - no idea, other than adequate.

GS42fun 04-08-2008 08:29 AM

I am using the KEPP pump, and I am very happy with it. With their pump you do not need to run a pressure regulator.
I run about 7 to 8 lbs of pressure with a 1/2" fuel line.
I'd recommend using them.

ROTAX454 04-08-2008 07:37 PM

Try this link. CV Products billet fuel pump as a direct replacement for the Merc Sea Water Pump combo. To be on the safe and correct side of the psi issue, IMHO you should still run a regulator. Even with these elite units.
http://www.cvproducts.com/cv/catalog...el_Cooling.pdf

CV Products #CV2630

DMOORE 04-08-2008 10:32 PM

The motors in my boat started life as Merc SC600's. They are 800's now, and use the merc pump stup with a electric pump feeding them. No problem with keeping good pressure.


Darrell.

ROTAX454 04-09-2008 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by DMOORE (Post 2518517)
The motors in my boat started life as Merc SC600's. They are 800's now, and use the merc pump stup with a electric pump feeding them. No problem with keeping good pressure.
Darrell.

Savy Merc Racing Motor guys, correct me if I am wrong.
Merc used the same mech fuel pump on many motors from the early 454 carb motors up to and including the old SC900.

ROTAX454 04-09-2008 10:42 AM


Originally Posted by DMOORE (Post 2518517)
The motors in my boat started life as Merc SC600's. They are 800's now, and use the merc pump stup with a electric pump feeding them. No problem with keeping good pressure.
Darrell.

Darrell, Damn-----a 28 sport cat with twin 800's. You have got to send us some video of that thing roosting some water.

Ran-Dom 32 04-09-2008 11:21 AM


Originally Posted by ROTAX454 (Post 2518304)
Try this link. CV Products billet fuel pump as a direct replacement for the Merc Sea Water Pump combo. To be on the safe and correct side of the psi issue, IMHO you should still run a regulator. Even with these elite units.
http://www.cvproducts.com/cv/catalog...el_Cooling.pdf

CV Products #CV2630

$418 + you need a regulator ( 2 x) :eek:

PPlay33 04-09-2008 12:45 PM

If you are running Holley carbs you do not need a regulator. I have been using one for years. You do need too rebuild once every 100hrs or so, the valves start to leak, but the parts are only about $60-80. Easily supplies 700-750hp.

Kidnova 04-09-2008 11:01 PM


Originally Posted by Ran-Dom 32 (Post 2518955)
$418 + you need a regulator ( 2 x) :eek:

I called their 800 no. this morning and was told $390.00, and no need for a regulator. Hhmmm......

AIR TIME 04-10-2008 02:09 PM

I go with the Diamond Performance kepp set up it will be cheaper. I have the same kit on mine since 96 . will no troubles yet pushing 670hp now started at 585hp back in 95.

Ran-Dom 32 04-10-2008 03:20 PM

yep, that's what I'm going to purchase :cool-smiley-027:

ROTAX454 04-10-2008 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Kidnova (Post 2519895)
I called their 800 no. this morning and was told $390.00, and no need for a regulator. Hhmmm......

Hey Bill, When I talked to CV, I spoke with a techie that when asked about psi, he said something like 8 to 10 lbs. He did recommend for a consistent 7 lbs, use a regulator. The 7 lb. figure came from my carb guy.

FYI-----For those who want to use the CV2630, I have the fitting part numbers that you may need to use this pump.
Just for you Bill, I ordered a set of Jesel Pro shaft rockers for my dyno motor. :D

Kidnova 04-11-2008 05:28 PM


Originally Posted by ROTAX454 (Post 2520782)
Hey Bill, When I talked to CV, I spoke with a techie that when asked about psi, he said something like 8 to 10 lbs. He did recommend for a consistent 7 lbs, use a regulator. The 7 lb. figure came from my carb guy.

FYI-----For those who want to use the CV2630, I have the fitting part numbers that you may need to use this pump.
Just for you Bill, I ordered a set of Jesel Pro shaft rockers for my dyno motor. :D

Jeeeezuz. When I talked to CV the guy told me 7-8 lbs, and no regulator needed. Like talk'n to the phark'n IRS. Ask 10 ?? and ya get 10 answers. No matter though. Think I have the issue solved. I'll give ya a buzz and let you know. Thanks again Dave !!

Cool Richard, those rockers do ROCK :D However, I cheaped out and went with the sportsmen, and we had issues with the stands :mad: Maybe I should'a gone with the pro's :rolleyes: I don't know about set up with the pro's. Ya might want to give Yoda a call and talk about that. He knows a guy somewhat close to you that I believe is quite familiar with them ;)

Lemme know how the dyno session goes !!


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