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Virgin Oil Analysis
A few asked to put this on for review..since we now are faced with API SM and decreased zinc and phos in oil..
Mobil-1 Redcap: CALCIUM: 2726 MAGNESIUM: 18 PHOSPHOROUS: 1137 ZINC: 1316 BARIUM: 0 SUS VISC. @210F: 85.2 Cst Visc. @100C: 16.81 Flashpoint: 470 Silver Cap: Silicon: M1 15W-50: 9ppm Boron: M1 15W-50: 228ppm (Large dose of friction reducer) Sodium: M1 15W-50: 13ppm Magnesium: M1 15W-50: 43ppm Calcium: M1 15W-50: 2464ppm Phosphorus: M1 15W-50: 1193ppm Zinc: M1 15W-50: 1315ppm Molybdenum: M1 15W-50: 90ppm Gold Cap: BORON: 99 SILICON: 5 SODIUM: 4 CALCIUM: 2261 MAGNESIUM: 12 PHOSPHOROUS: 1013 ZINC: 1201 SUS VISC. @210F: 85.4 Cst Visc. @100C: 16.85 Flashpoint: 460 V-Twin 20W-50: Moly: 63 Boron: 153 Silicon: 3 Sodium: 3 Calcium: 1901 Magnesium: 9 Phosphorus: 1231Zinc: 1393 SUS Viscosity: 99.8 Flashpoint: 515 |
Originally Posted by Hydrocruiser
(Post 2545972)
A few asked to put this on for review..
Mobil-1 Redcap: CALCIUM: 2726 MAGNESIUM: 18 PHOSPHOROUS: 1137 ZINC: 1316 BARIUM: 0 SUS VISC. @210F: 85.2 Cst Visc. @100C: 16.81 Flashpoint: 470 Silver Cap: Silicon: M1 15W-50: 9ppm Boron: M1 15W-50: 228ppm Sodium: M1 15W-50: 13ppm Magnesium: M1 15W-50: 43ppm Calcium: M1 15W-50: 2464ppm Phosphorus: M1 15W-50: 1193ppm Zinc: M1 15W-50: 1315ppm Molybdenum: M1 15W-50: 90ppm Gold Cap: BORON: 99 SILICON: 5 SODIUM: 4 CALCIUM: 2261 MAGNESIUM: 12 PHOSPHOROUS: 1013 ZINC: 1201 SUS VISC. @210F: 85.4 Cst Visc. @100C: 16.85 Flashpoint: 460 |
I would assume that "Virgin Oil" would indicate brand new oil that hasn't been used.... is that correct?
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Originally Posted by BigDaddyM
(Post 2545985)
I would assume that "Virgin Oil" would indicate brand new oil that hasn't been used.... is that correct?
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Yes..all oil fresh out of the bottle.
It shows that Gold Cap is about the same as Red Cap which was an API SL and Gold Cap is is rated API SM. V-Twin is unchanged and a very potent formulation that remains unchanged. Hard to miss going with Gold Cap or V-twin. Silver Cap is a slicker oil with a high dose of Boron. |
Here's good site: http://www.calsci.com/motorcycleinfo/Oils1.html
"Another component is buffers. This is typically calcium, magnesium, or boron. These chemicals are present to neutralize any acids which form in your engine" "Another component is emergency lubricants. This is typically zinc, phosphorous, and molybdenum. These chemicals are present in case your oil film completely breaks down, due to extreme temperatures or pressures. These chemicals are supposed to be a last resort defense against metal to metal contact in your engine. Oil companies are cutting back on zinc and phosphorous, as these metals are hard on your catalytic converters. They're substituting molybdenum disulfide, which lowers friction and improves gas mileage" "Phosphorus was originally added to oils to help protect high pressure areas like cam lobes and crankshaft bearings, so lowering phosphorus levels is a compromise of lower pollution, perhaps at the expense of engine life" Oil, interesting stuff |
So ingredients in the oil do we want to see a lot of and which do we not want to see much of.
How do you determine what is a good oil. |
Considering the min spec for a 50wt at 210F is 85 SUS a couple of these oils just make the spec new. Remember, viscosity is your first line of defense against wear. The V-Twin is a much better oil at 210F, at 99.8 SUS it is a solid 50 and the anti wear,(zinc & phosphorus) are a bit higher. A typical PCMO (passenger car motor oil) has Z&P levels around 1000PPM or less.
Remember Z&P are sacraficial, the PPM drops as the oil is used. The flash point for the V-Twin is higher because the viscosity of the oil has the other fluids beat by a longshot. Probably a heavier centistoke PAO basestock. Ken |
Originally Posted by RonS
(Post 2546002)
So ingredients in the oil do we want to see a lot of and which do we not want to see much of.
How do you determine what is a good oil. Gold Cap and V-Twin especially foot the bill as does Merc's semi syn. You can get into trouble these days with lower anti-wear additive automobile and truck oils than you could before. |
Originally Posted by whatabout1
(Post 2546001)
Here's good site: http://www.calsci.com/motorcycleinfo/Oils1.html
"Another component is buffers. This is typically calcium, magnesium, or boron. These chemicals are present to neutralize any acids which form in your engine" "Another component is emergency lubricants. This is typically zinc, phosphorous, and molybdenum. These chemicals are present in case your oil film completely breaks down, due to extreme temperatures or pressures. These chemicals are supposed to be a last resort defense against metal to metal contact in your engine. Oil companies are cutting back on zinc and phosphorous, as these metals are hard on your catalytic converters. They're substituting molybdenum disulfide, which lowers friction and improves gas mileage" "Phosphorus was originally added to oils to help protect high pressure areas like cam lobes and crankshaft bearings, so lowering phosphorus levels is a compromise of lower pollution, perhaps at the expense of engine life" Oil, interesting stuff all anti-wear additives. Silicon is for anti-foaming. That's why we saw Gold Cap increase it's base PAO content because Silver Cap was having some supposed wear issues. |
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