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KAAMA 08-16-2008 09:14 AM

AFR 315 CNC ported heads and "RMBuilder"/Bob Madara (Marine Kinetics) cam profiles will give you an excellent combination.

Chris Sunkin 08-16-2008 10:40 AM

I agree. A conversation with Bob is very detailed. He wants to know everything about the boat, the driveline, the engines and exactly what you want to do with it. And he charges the same as what you'd pay for an out-of-the-box Crane from Summit Racing.

RJBBC 08-16-2008 07:04 PM

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I had lunch at the Red Snapper today in Destin, FL. The Emerald Coast Poker Run was on despite some less than ideal weather. I am not sure if this post is related to the thread but boy did some of these boats sound good idling through. Put a smile on my face that our current motor broke so we can add more power.:ernaehrung004:

Knot 4 Me 08-18-2008 09:13 AM

Hey Bert, might want to buy a poncho. Looks like a storm is coming your way! :eek::drink:

You're not the only one on D3 on the sidelines now. Friday afternoon, Boody and I did a hot lap (well, Boody did a hot lap, I did a lukewarm lap!) from the marina to the first bridge and back. We waited outside the marina for Pratt to hook up with us. When we all took off, Boody's port motor revved up but went nowhere. He shut it down and then it wouldn't restart. Starter wouldn't engage the flywheel. Nick came down with a breaker bar to turn the motor by hand thinking it might have a broken tooth on the flywheel but the starter still wouldn't catch. Further investigation revealed the flywheel is bent/cocked out of position so the starter gear can't get to the ring gear! Explains why it revved up too like it spun the coupler. Motor is coming out today. Hopefully it is just a busted flywheel and not a broken crank!! :eek:

RJBBC 08-18-2008 01:32 PM


Originally Posted by Knot 4 Me (Post 2656080)
Hey Bert, might want to buy a poncho. Looks like a storm is coming your way! :eek::drink:

You're not the only one on D3 on the sidelines now. Friday afternoon, Boody and I did a hot lap (well, Boody did a hot lap, I did a lukewarm lap!) from the marina to the first bridge and back. We waited outside the marina for Pratt to hook up with us. When we all took off, Boody's port motor revved up but went nowhere. He shut it down and then it wouldn't restart. Starter wouldn't engage the flywheel. Nick came down with a breaker bar to turn the motor by hand thinking it might have a broken tooth on the flywheel but the starter still wouldn't catch. Further investigation revealed the flywheel is bent/cocked out of position so the starter gear can't get to the ring gear! Explains why it revved up too like it spun the coupler. Motor is coming out today. Hopefully it is just a busted flywheel and not a broken crank!! :eek:

Gotta love boating! Maybe we can convince Mike to warm up the HP 500s a little to keep up with Pratt.:evilb:

RJBBC 08-19-2008 06:40 AM


Originally Posted by RJBBC (Post 2655283)
I had lunch at the Red Snapper today in Destin, FL. The Emerald Coast Poker Run was on despite some less than ideal weather. I am not sure if this post is related to the thread but boy did some of these boats sound good idling through. Put a smile on my face that our current motor broke so we can add more power.:ernaehrung004:

The name of the restaurant is the Lucky Snapper, went back there last night. Sail boats and center consoles were a plenty. Where is the HP?

RJBBC 08-24-2008 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RJBBC (Post 2649434)
We currently have a 2000 Checkmate 259 Convincor. We purchased the boat new in 2002. The engine (454MAG MPI) and drive (B1) have 275 hours. The boat had an engine upgrade kit installed at about 215 hours.(cam, exhaust, valvetrain upgrade). The engine was dynoed after upgrade at 461HP (5100RPM) and 514lbs/tq (3800RPM). Recently the engine lost power and a compression test was performed. Here are the numbers by cylinder: 1-150,2-150, 3-130, 4-100, 5-110, 6-85, 7-170, 8-85. Any thoughts on what could be wrong? Anyway I am using this problem as an opportunity to upgrade our power. I would like to stay NA and go to a carb motor. Should we try and salvage the motor we have or go to a larger displacment motor? 600HP is the goal number. The boat has full hydraulic steering and HP tabs. The engine must be user friendly as this is a family boat. Wife needs to be able to drive it. The boat will be used for cruising, some water sports and an occasional WOT run. The project budget is 15K.
Thanks in advance,
Rob

The motor is out of the boat and partially disassembled. Cylinders and heads look good. The low compression in some cylinders is from valves failing to fully seat, but why? Included here are pictures of the shortblock, heads and the intake valve from cylinder 8. What do you think?

Chris Sunkin 08-24-2008 04:36 PM

Could be too tight of stem clearance. have you changed anything on your cooling system? Lost an impeller or had a cooling issue? Heat makes exhaust valve stems expand. More heat- more expansion. Too much and they can gall and sometimes stick. Also, bad fuel or a lean condition in the fuel system can cause excess heat- leading to seat erosion and valve tulip-ing. Check to see if they're all the same length.

Vinny P 08-24-2008 07:46 PM

Hey Rob,

When the engine was upgraded, were the heads pulled and angles cut on valves and seats? If not, how many hours are on the heads? It is difficult to see from the pictures. Do the seats look good? Can you take a close up of the leaking valve seats? Was the plug in that cylinder showing a lean condition?

RJBBC 08-25-2008 05:17 AM


Originally Posted by Vinny P (Post 2662402)
Hey Rob,

When the engine was upgraded, were the heads pulled and angles cut on valves and seats? If not, how many hours are on the heads? It is difficult to see from the pictures. Do the seats look good? Can you take a close up of the leaking valve seats? Was the plug in that cylinder showing a lean condition?

No lean condition in the 8 plug or any plugs for that matter. The heads were pulled with the upgrade. I believe the angles were cut. There are 275 total hours on the heads. 60 hours on the valvetrain that is currently having problems. The heads are off to the machine shop today, so we will see what they have to say.

Knot 4 Me 08-25-2008 08:58 AM


Originally Posted by RJBBC (Post 2662262)
The motor is out of the boat and partially disassembled. Cylinders and heads look good. The low compression in some cylinders is from valves failing to fully seat, but why? Included here are pictures of the shortblock, heads and the intake valve from cylinder 8. What do you think?

Why? That would be a good question for the person that did the head work and remapped the ECM. You should have gotten a lot more hours out of that upgrade. I still wonder if you were leaned out until the fuel pump that should have been on from day one was added.

FYI. Eickert is now located in Easton, Il. My dad has already seen the dyno room. I asked him to inquire whether or not they are willing to take on smaller side jobs such as your boat and Pratt's boat or if their focus is solely on Onken Racing endeavors.

RJBBC 08-26-2008 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by Knot 4 Me (Post 2662810)
Why? That would be a good question for the person that did the head work and remapped the ECM. You should have gotten a lot more hours out of that upgrade. I still wonder if you were leaned out until the fuel pump that should have been on from day one was added.

FYI. Eickert is now located in Easton, Il. My dad has already seen the dyno room. I asked him to inquire whether or not they are willing to take on smaller side jobs such as your boat and Pratt's boat or if their focus is solely on Onken Racing endeavors.

Do you have a phone number for Eickert?

Knot 4 Me 08-27-2008 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by RJBBC (Post 2664063)
Do you have a phone number for Eickert?

Bert, should be a good time next week visiting the shop and seeing what Keith has to offer.

KAAMA 08-27-2008 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by RJBBC (Post 2653364)
Thanks KAAMA. I have already sent 10x a message.

If you can get KE to do it that would be great, but did you speak to Frank about it yet???

RJBBC 08-28-2008 06:32 PM


Originally Posted by Chris Sunkin (Post 2662283)
Could be too tight of stem clearance. have you changed anything on your cooling system? Lost an impeller or had a cooling issue? Heat makes exhaust valve stems expand. More heat- more expansion. Too much and they can gall and sometimes stick. Also, bad fuel or a lean condition in the fuel system can cause excess heat- leading to seat erosion and valve tulip-ing. Check to see if they're all the same length.

Mr. Sunkin,
You and Vinny were correct in thinking seat erosion or valve seating may be an issue. The machine shop inspecting the heads mentioned the valve seats last grind job were less than optimal. I am almost wondering if the grind job was performed by a young apprentice, but speculation is dangerous. I am happy to have a $150 valve job fix the problem. Now back to finding a new motor.

Vinny P 08-28-2008 08:08 PM

Rob,

Well.... The good news is you can repair the heads, re-assemble that 454 and sell it off as a working engine. Good luck with the new engine. If you ever want to talk about combinations, drop me a line. My 540 may not be the best one out there, but its a damn good one.

RJBBC 08-29-2008 05:08 AM


Originally Posted by Vinny P (Post 2667687)
Rob,

Well.... The good news is you can repair the heads, re-assemble that 454 and sell it off as a working engine. Good luck with the new engine. If you ever want to talk about combinations, drop me a line. My 540 may not be the best one out there, but its a damn good one.

Vinny,
I will give you a call.
Thanks,
Rob

RJBBC 08-31-2008 04:48 PM

Any thoughts or experience with a TCM 620?

Chris Sunkin 08-31-2008 11:11 PM

Too narrow a valve seat face on the exhaust will definitely lead to premature failure. When you get them back, run them with a dab of surface blue and look at the contact points to confirm they have enough surface.

RJBBC 09-04-2008 04:26 PM

Onken Racing/Keith Eickert Pics
 
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Here are a few pictures taken yesterday at Onken Racing/Eickert Engines. I want to thank Jeff Sheary for setting the field trip up and Donnie Onken and Keith Eickert for showing us around and sharing some of their current projects.

Knot 4 Me 09-05-2008 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by RJBBC (Post 2674654)
Here are a few pictures taken yesterday at Onken Racing/Eickert Engines. I want to thank Jeff Sheary for setting the field trip up and Donnie Onken and Keith Eickert for showing us around and sharing some of their current projects.

My pleasure!!! :ernaehrung004: But the real thanks goes to my Dad, who has been friends with Don since the 50's!! It was funny seeing that old dragster sitting overhead in the office that I talked about seeing as a kid on the way down Wednesday. Looked a lot smaller than it did when I was 10!


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