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Teague Motors
Brainstorming different options to repower our 2000 Checkmate Convincor 259. Does anyone have any experience or thoughts on the TCM 620? I pulled an article off the net from a google search on TCM motors. The article mentioned they build about 120 motors per year. The have a lot of R&D in the models that they sell. Would this be a more reliable route then going to a low volume marine engine builer? I am not sure what the 620 costs? I would assume there is a stout upcharge for the name. The package is sure dressed nice.
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I don't have personal experience with the 620. My experience is with the 900 and 1200. However, one of the most important issues for me is warranty. Teague has the financial ability to back up his warranty - anywhere in the country. I have no doubt that the low volume engine builder does a great job putting stuff together. Very few have the resources that TCM has and even fewer do as much R&D as TCM does.
I am comfortable recommending TCM engines without hesitation or reservations. T |
Teague Custom marine is a first class outfit.
They have tremendous talent, resources, products, and respect on the West Coast. They walk the walk on their warranties and supply may of the West coast builders with their packages. I have firsthand boating experience wit the following teague engines- 620- not my fav, felt a little weak, and I wasnt overly impressed, for the diff in money go to the 720. 720- incredible mid range and top end rush, felt very strong, made with superb parts and is rock solid (almost bough this instead of my ilmor 710) 800(whipple based & injected not carbed 871 version) -just awesome, oodles of power EVERYWHERE, cant break it , idles like a kitten roars like a beast - only 1 drawback- NOT freshwater cooled. Dont be afraid of powering your rig with Teague products. A step up in prestige & power would be TPI, but its a one man band putting out incredible show quality work. Uncle Dave Laveycraft 2750 - Ilmor 710 Laveycraft 20.8 Sebring 406 SB Fleetwood nitrous toy hauler Yamaha raptor-700/Kawi-KFX 450 Nissan Titan Uncle Dave is online now Report Post Edit/Delete Message |
Teague 620
I have the 620 in my 24 Baja runs very strong Idles very well and they are very good people i believe there motor comes in about 30,000.00 or more.
Richard Cuny |
Originally Posted by RICHARD CUNY
(Post 2671008)
I have the 620 in my 24 Baja runs very strong Idles very well and they are very good people i believe there motor comes in about 30,000.00 or more.
Richard Cuny |
Rob,
Don't forget that KE is coming into your backyard. Don |
I've had great service from mine and all my questions are answered by Bob himself.
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Originally Posted by chromecat
(Post 2671303)
Rob,
Don't forget that KE is coming into your backyard. Don |
I saw them at the Shootout, are they open now in Easton, they will be a huge resource here in the midwest.
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There are way too many well-known premium engine builders close to you. Why go cross country? And, in a midrange horsepower engine, there aren't any proprietary technologies. One is going to be built out of virtually identical parts as the other and assembled the same way.
Myself, I'd want a guy that can do the whole job. You can take the world's best engine and installed/rigged improperly is going to have issues. I also don't want to have warranty coverage excluded due to improper installation issues. No knock on Teague- he builds good stuff. But for me, I see value in dealing with a guy who can supervise the whole job and see any issue I might have first-hand. Even if it's an day- long tow. It's better than removing and crating up an engine and freighting it to California. Now, if you have a competemt HP rigger you're using, that's a different story. But they usually have relationships with good builders. You've got Wesco by you, Gellner is a short drive to Cleveland and Eddie Young isn't much further. Teague is good, but he can't do anything better than any of these guys. |
Eickert is a 2 hour drive from Rob now so if they can come to terms on a motor solution, that would be the berries. We'll find out this week if Onken/Eickert will also handle the rigging and installation. I agree that there is no need to go cross country. There are plenty of choices here in the Mid-West. My choice would be Eddie Young based off of personal references, but it's not my boat/money...
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Originally Posted by Chris Sunkin
(Post 2671434)
There are way too many well-known premium engine builders close to you. Why go cross country? And, in a midrange horsepower engine, there aren't any proprietary technologies. One is going to be built out of virtually identical parts as the other and assembled the same way.
Myself, I'd want a guy that can do the whole job. You can take the world's best engine and installed/rigged improperly is going to have issues. I also don't want to have warranty coverage excluded due to improper installation issues. No knock on Teague- he builds good stuff. But for me, I see value in dealing with a guy who can supervise the whole job and see any issue I might have first-hand. Even if it's an day- long tow. It's better than removing and crating up an engine and freighting it to California. Now, if you have a competemt HP rigger you're using, that's a different story. But they usually have relationships with good builders. You've got Wesco by you, Gellner is a short drive to Cleveland and Eddie Young isn't much further. Teague is good, but he can't do anything better than any of these guys. Eddie Young did mine and he was thinking about rigging issues (fuel line upgrades, drive setup, steering, etc) while he was building my engine. It all came together at once and was all his work. Now if I were to have a problem and warranty was an issue, I could take the whole thing to Eddie within a day. So far all I have had to do is put gas in, change the vital fluids and enjoy. |
one stop shop
The guys are right, its usually better to find a qualified local shop that can do it all for you and is accessable for after sales service and tuning. I agree with that philosophy and after repowering many times its easier to deal with a local shop. I also agree that a marinized big block chevy isnt a proprietary project with custom engineering required.
That said, your question was about the Teague 620 and experience with it/Teague- NOT who builds package similar to it and can rig it. There are a lot of quality builders and Im sure the local ones being mentioned are great, but to say they can and do everything Teague does is minimizing just how good Teague really is. <Note - I agree with Chris Sunken at about the 95% + range but I would not say the other guys he lists can do everything Teague does.> Can Wesco get the same discount from CMI as Teague? - Gellner splits their discipline between marine and auto whereas teague is dedicated. Eddie Young as qualified as he /they are doesn't have a drive supply contract with Ilmor that I know of (a highly difficult thing to achieve) Teague is marine specialized and has the quad combo of- R&D, manufacturing capabilities, machining capabilities, and reseller contracts that are specialized to the marine industry. VERY few can match them. I doubt any but Keith Eickert have anywhere near the (marine) volume of Teague which translates into faster cheaper builds for the same relative parts. This is all to say feel buying from Teague is like the old adage that no ever got fired for buying IBM. (Note: Im NOT trying to start a thread war with guys that have a zillion posts ) Ok, now that Ive said that, its also wirth mentioning opinions on "Bob Teague the man" vary wildly. Personally the guy has been really cool to me and people I deal with like him a lot, but there is an old joke told around So cal-lakes and rivers. Whats the difference between God and Bob Teague? God doesn't pretend to be Bob Teague. Uncle Dave Laveycraft 2750 - Ilmor 710 Laveycraft 20.8 Sebring 406 SB Fleetwood nitrous toy hauler Yamaha raptor-700/Kawi-KFX 450 Nissan Titan |
I don't think that anyone was slamming Teague, just offering some friendly advice on other options that are closer to the customer
Another thing nice about some of the smaller shops is that the true engine builder does all of the work. I was over at Eddie's shop the other day and he is building some motors in that hp range that will go at a VERY good deal. You really should check them out. I am sure that Teague gets some nice discounts but the CMI's that Eddie put on my motor did not cost me any more than if I got them from Teague. |
I agree with everything you are saying, and I pretty much led with that in my post to RJBBC
Eddie is awesome, is a qualified pro, and can works ski boat to superboat level rides, I've seen boats powered by his stuff at Havasu, and he does great work. What I took 9000 to many words to say was more to Chris's point that Teague does stand out as the only actual manufacturer of the group, and their volume (which JBBC mentions himself) can be a differentiator between vendors. it was early morning to much coffee before posting.......... Check out my new ride in the Laveycraft forum! Uncle Dave Laveycraft 2750 - Ilmor 710 Laveycraft 20.8 Sebring 406 SB Fleetwood nitrous toy hauler Yamaha raptor-700/Kawi-KFX 450 Nissan Titan |
Originally Posted by Uncle Dave
(Post 2676323)
I agree with everything you are saying, and I pretty much led with that in my post to RJBBC
Eddie is awesome, is a qualified pro, and can works ski boat to superboat level rides, I've seen boats powered by his stuff at Havasu, and he does great work. What I took 9000 to many words to say was more to Chris's point that Teague does stand out as the only actual manufacturer of the group, and their volume (which JBBC mentions himself) can be a differentiator between vendors. it was early morning to much coffee before posting.......... Check out my new ride in the Laveycraft forum! Uncle Dave Laveycraft 2750 - Ilmor 710 Laveycraft 20.8 Sebring 406 SB Fleetwood nitrous toy hauler Yamaha raptor-700/Kawi-KFX 450 Nissan Titan |
Originally Posted by Uncle Dave
(Post 2676253)
The guys are right, its usually better to find a qualified local shop that can do it all for you and is accessable for after sales service and tuning. I agree with that philosophy and after repowering many times its easier to deal with a local shop. I also agree that a marinized big block chevy isnt a proprietary project with custom engineering required.
That said, your question was about the Teague 620 and experience with it/Teague- NOT who builds package similar to it and can rig it. There are a lot of quality builders and Im sure the local ones being mentioned are great, but to say they can and do everything Teague does is minimizing just how good Teague really is. <Note - I agree with Chris Sunken at about the 95% + range but I would not say the other guys he lists can do everything Teague does.> Can Wesco get the same discount from CMI as Teague? - Gellner splits their discipline between marine and auto whereas teague is dedicated. Eddie Young as qualified as he /they are doesn't have a drive supply contract with Ilmor that I know of (a highly difficult thing to achieve) Teague is marine specialized and has the quad combo of- R&D, manufacturing capabilities, machining capabilities, and reseller contracts that are specialized to the marine industry. VERY few can match them. I doubt any but Keith Eickert have anywhere near the (marine) volume of Teague which translates into faster cheaper builds for the same relative parts. This is all to say feel buying from Teague is like the old adage that no ever got fired for buying IBM. (Note: Im NOT trying to start a thread war with guys that have a zillion posts ) Ok, now that Ive said that, its also wirth mentioning opinions on "Bob Teague the man" vary wildly. Personally the guy has been really cool to me and people I deal with like him a lot, but there is an old joke told around So cal-lakes and rivers. Whats the difference between God and Bob Teague? God doesn't pretend to be Bob Teague. Uncle Dave Laveycraft 2750 - Ilmor 710 Laveycraft 20.8 Sebring 406 SB Fleetwood nitrous toy hauler Yamaha raptor-700/Kawi-KFX 450 Nissan Titan |
is Eickert moving to WI? his kustomengines.com site is down. Saw he is using small blocks with Wegner (sp?) in Wisconsin???
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Originally Posted by dkwestern
(Post 2679921)
is Eickert moving to WI? his kustomengines.com site is down. Saw he is using small blocks with Wegner (sp?) in Wisconsin???
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Originally Posted by dkwestern
(Post 2679921)
is Eickert moving to WI? his kustomengines.com site is down. Saw he is using small blocks with Wegner (sp?) in Wisconsin???
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Originally Posted by Chris Sunkin
(Post 2671434)
There are way too many well-known premium engine builders close to you. Why go cross country? And, in a midrange horsepower engine, there aren't any proprietary technologies. One is going to be built out of virtually identical parts as the other and assembled the same way.
Myself, I'd want a guy that can do the whole job. You can take the world's best engine and installed/rigged improperly is going to have issues. I also don't want to have warranty coverage excluded due to improper installation issues. No knock on Teague- he builds good stuff. But for me, I see value in dealing with a guy who can supervise the whole job and see any issue I might have first-hand. Even if it's an day- long tow. It's better than removing and crating up an engine and freighting it to California. Now, if you have a competemt HP rigger you're using, that's a different story. But they usually have relationships with good builders. You've got Wesco by you, Gellner is a short drive to Cleveland and Eddie Young isn't much further. Teague is good, but he can't do anything better than any of these guys. |
Why did KE move to illinois?
Seems like their would be more local customers in florida. |
Originally Posted by vtec
(Post 2682604)
Why did KE move to illinois?
Seems like their would be more local customers in florida. |
I've got a Teague 900 in my boat with his transom and platinum drive. 1 year warranty (still under warranty until June 09). Who else offers that kind of warranty? The motor is flawless, a work of art, and has gobs of power. Teague is a solid guy with an excellent reputation.
I have no reservations about buying anything from Teague. Not to mention his customer service has been some of the best I've ever dealt with. I needed riser gaskets for a jet boat, called Teague. They didn't have anything that would work. The parts guy called around, found them at CP Performance and called me back to tell me where they were and how much they were. Who else would do that for no money??????? I can't say enough good things about Teague Custom Marine. |
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